Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[MikkoAkure]

The beings in Ultima Thule are either alive, or are not. Same for the Endless.

The beings of Ultima Thule are recreations based on Meteion’s observations. They are made out of gathered dynamis and probably have souls, due to Meteion also gathering the lifestreams of their worlds. That said, I wouldn’t really consider them “alive” in our traditional sense and I’m two steps away from calling the ghostbusters on them. Up until recently they were reenacting their final moments exactly like ghosts and now are more like “ghosts with a purpose making a ghost civilization”.


The Endless are literal ghosts. They are dead beings separated from their corporeal aether and made to manifest in the way they did in life, even being able to look younger or older at will. They’re also separated by their original souls and stitched on artificially to someone else’s, that may have been taken against their will. They lack two of their three original components that made them a whole person in life.

They are a purposefully made abomination of nature, created by someone who was pathologically jealous and refused to let go of her people at any cost, not even letting them know the peace of death and allowing them into the natural cycle to be reborn.

They are the product of an industrialized necromantic ritual to preserve the memories of the dead in a dilapidated Disneyland for solely Sphene’s benefit. They live like zoo animals in exhibits designed to keep them stimulated and the system even organizes “serendipitous” meetings based on all the people stored in the cloud, but after centuries they’re already bored.

Would you feel the same about all this if instead of shiny cyberpunk facilities making the undead it was all magic sigils and bloodstained keeps? We’ve been down this road before with other Ashkin like those in the Sirensong Sea. Do we need to leave those alone because they’re “new life”?


But the main difference between the two is context. Not everything has to be “it’s all ‘this’ or it’s not” and context is very important. While I don’t like the concept of the Ultima Thule beings, they were created externally by an outside force and had no say in it and are now moving on and making the best of it and if they die, they will return to their nearby livestreams to start over as is normal. New life has even arisen and the dragons and Ea(?) have produced children.

The Endless were created by a society with institutionalized necromancy as its core feature and completely removed themselves from the cycle of death and rebirth that depends on harvesting others for their leaky system.

Erasing them is no different than killing them. We should have shut down the system and placed them into stasis. How is this not genocide?

How? Who among the group even knows how to do that? If it were possible, it would've come up. You can't just say that the story is bad because they didn't do a situation that you just made up. We don't even know if they could've done that.

And it's not genocide, the people in the computer were already dead. Alexandria's society, culture, and people are still alive right there on the source and by any indication, are thriving. We shut off their graveyard that barely anyone even knows exists.