Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[Loggos]

She was only asking us. Not our peoples, nations,etc. Us as individuals, so she wouldn't have to fight us. That's all. She was still going to attack tulliyolal.

I agree and in addition, I also don't think it would actually help Living Memory if Tuliyollal became Alexandrian because the souls of the Alexandrian people already seem to be (more or less) fully in use for their regulator system. They don't seem to have (enough) of them to spare to power Living Memory sustainably. So just increasing the Alexandrian people would probably not actually increase its surplus energy (at least not long term) because, assuming that many would probably also end up using regulators like most of the Turali's who got absorbed into the electro bubble - even if it's just newer generations/generations yet to be born, the life force demand for their normal regulator system would eventually increase more or less proportionally as well.

So in the long run Spehne needs to kill people to generate this surplus of life force. Her own society cannot generate it so she cannot offer all of Tuliyollal/Tural to become Alexandrians because it would actively undermine her goal.

(Also, I don't think it's very "peaceful" to say "give up your whole nation and way of life and succumb to us, otherwise we'll have to harvest you". That is just colonialisation/conquest, no matter how regretful Sphene is or how nicely she asks.)

[celfhelp]

(Also, I don't think it's very "peaceful" to say "give up your whole nation and way of life and succumb to us, otherwise we'll have to harvest you". That is just colonialisation/conquest, no matter how regretful Sphene is or how nicely she asks.)

it's more peaceful than slaughter. plenty of cultures/peoples survive today because colonialism/conquest of all brands and sources wasn't flatout slaughter (most of the time)

don't get me wrong, she was always going to go the slaughter route because the story demanded it. granted Preservation disappeared but you'd think that they could've found an alternative fuel source if they just committed to finding it. would've personally enjoyed exploring that route more, but it'd probably make for a horribly boring video game main story. haha

[Loggos]

it's more peaceful than slaughter. plenty of cultures/peoples survive today because colonialism/conquest of all brands and sources wasn't flatout slaughter (most of the time)

I'd say more "peaceful" but not actually peaceful. I didn't intend to say it was as bad as slaugher so technically I agree. I just mean that it would still be incredibly immoral by Sphene (if she were to offer Tural to become Alexandrians, which I don't think she was actually implying, as said above) to put the gun on a whole continent's chest and say "succumb or die". (I'm also not sure I agree with "cultures survived because of colonialism/conquest" because if they hadn't been colonised in the first place...but this is another can of worms and I don't want to open up a debate on this any further, so I'll stop here.)

Regarding Sphene, the only point I was trying to make with that quoted part is that none of her actions or (theoretical) intentions (assuming for the sake of the argument she was offering Tural to join her kingdom) were actually peaceful, so her offer is not a display of her "good" character is all.

I agree on exploring different solutions but I think this is a separate point because she could also have explored these things with us without (theoretically) asking Tural to become Alexandrian.