Questionable ethics - Living Memory

[Astronis]

And Sphene didn't have the authority to transplant her country into a different plane of existence, steal the land of a different country and absorb the population into hers while eliminating most of their culture, and then making a surprise war on the nation she stole from and killing its citizens in order to power her dead. Alexandria is the hostile force here, they killed Tuliyollal's civilians in a targeted attack with no warning. The Endless aren't a culture, they're not a society, and they're not citizens. They're the projections of people who have already died and were being used as a reason to plunder all of reality of souls that aren't Alexandrian. The country of Alexandria STILL EXISTS with LIVING PEOPLE, but all everyone seems to care about is the country's overcomplicated graveyard and how it made them sad.

Indeed, there are lots of living Alexandrians, some with aether-imbalance disorders that aetheroligists on the Source are well-equipped to deal with. Now that Alexandria isn't waging a war to power their very pleasant and friendly soul-eating zombie collection, we can get to tending to the actually alive Alexandrians!

[LuciferMournstar]

Indeed, there are lots of living Alexandrians, some with aether-imbalance disorders that aetheroligists on the Source are well-equipped to deal with. Now that Alexandria isn't waging a war to power their very pleasant and friendly soul-eating zombie collection, we can get to tending to the actually alive Alexandrians!

Yeah, Alexandria still exist in Heritage Found and Solution 9, but they are doomed for good now. We are going to wipe them out too. Their regulators no longer will have souls supplied to them, so everything in the "bubble" is doomed. Hunters in the bubble can no longer use souls, they will die trying to stop the monsters in that Lighting destroyed world. Which means eventually all of Heritage Found, Solution 9, and Living Memory will be overrun and uninhabitable. Also, we're going to put a stop to the use of Beast Souls. We're wiping out their entire culture, way of life, and any hope of continuing. They have one recourse : Abandon their culture, their home, and move to the source. Eletrope won't have use in the source without the abundance of Lightning Eather, so that'll be forgotten too.

There is no "happy ending" to this story. Alexandria is dying, and in about 100 years or so, will fade into obscurity and distant memory. If it takes even that long.

[Loggos]

Hunters in the bubble can no longer use souls, they will die trying to stop the monsters in that Lighting destroyed world.

...but that bubble is literally part of our world now. And the time has been synced at this point, too. We can literally get in and out of the bubble (and so can the citizens of S9/HF).

There is no reason why we cannot trade with them, help them, equip them with other tools or why they can't leave the bubble temporarily and hunt normal game.

Also, the idea that human hunters are the only means by which they can hunt is flawed imo. They literally have robots and space ships and now that Zoraal Ja is gone they have no further purpose. Why would an advanced civilisation with a huge cyber military force that exceeds anything Tural has to offer (we need a goddamn dragon to take them down) not be able to employ these things as tools to hunt or keep normal monsters at bay within the bubble?
Hop on one of those flying bikes and hunt beasts from above. Hell, put a robot on those flying bikes and let them do the hunting for you.

They can exist just fine without extra souls just like everybody else on Eitherys. They do not need extra souls to live and breathe, it's an insurance against very specific causes of death (not even natural causes) that no other culture has and yet every other culture on this planet is doing fine.
And they can easily circumvent these cases of unnatural death with other technical solutions. They can just not face tank a beast's tank buster anymore as a pugilist and get away unscathed.

[LuciferMournstar]

...but that bubble is literally part of our world now. And the time has been synced at this point, too. We can literally get in and out of the bubble (and so can the citizens of S9/HF).

There is no reason why we cannot trade with them, help them, equip them with other tools or why they can't leave the bubble temporarily and hunt normal game.

Also, the idea that human hunters are the only means by which they can hunt is flawed imo. They literally have robots and space ships and now that Zoraal Ja is gone they have no further purpose. Why would an advanced civilisation with a huge cyber military force that exceeds anything Tural has to offer (we need a goddamn dragon to take them down) not be able to employ these things as tools to hunt or keep normal monsters at bay within the bubble?
Hop on one of those flying bikes and hunt beasts from above. Hell, put a robot on those flying bikes and let them do the hunting for you.

They can exist just fine without extra souls just like everybody else on Eitherys. They do not need extra souls to live and breathe, it's an insurance against very specific causes of death (not even natural causes) that no other culture has and yet every other culture on this planet is doing fine.
And they can easily circumvent these cases of unnatural death with other technical solutions. They can just not face tank a beast's tank buster anymore as a pugilist and get away unscathed.

"They have no further purpose". Did you think Zoraal Ja was just having them standing around, doing nothing for 30 years till he could merge with the Source? Obviously not. They were were used, and they weren't enough, hence the Hunters.

[Loggos]

"They have no further purpose". Did you think Zoraal Ja was just having them standing around, doing nothing for 30 years till he could merge with the Source? Obviously not. They were were used, and they weren't enough, hence the Hunters.

You misunderstood me.

His military has no further purpose now that he is gone. We have obviously seen some robots patroling Heritage Found but Alexandria has a full cyber space force. Literal ships flying in the sky that are strong enough to conquer Tural. If you have that much power, again power to conquer not just a continent but the entire world (which was his goal), you just cannot tell me that for some reason, now that he is gone, that power cannot be redirected to fight normal monsters in your local area.

His military cannot simultaneously have enough robots/figters/force to conquer the world but not enough to deal with monsters.

Also, as I said above, there are more options for Alexandrians now. They are part of Tural at this point. We can forge alliances, establish trade etc. Guraal Ja 2.0 is their ruler and has direct ties to Wuk, who is hellbent on peace and harmony. There is just no implication that the Alexandrians are done for.

[LuciferMournstar]

You misunderstood me.

His military has no further purpose now that he is gone. We have obviously seen some robots patroling Heritage Found but Alexandria has a full cyber space force. Literal ships flying in the sky that are strong enough to conquer Tural. If you have that much power, again power to conquer not just a continent but the entire world (which was his goal), you just cannot tell me that for some reason, now that he is gone, that power cannot be redirected to fight normal monsters in your local area.

His military cannot simultaneously have enough robots/figters/force to conquer the world but not enough to deal with monsters.

You're forgetting, Zoraal Ja was OVERLY arrogant, and thought very little of Tural and the Source overall. He might have THOUGHT his military was that powerful, but it really wasn't. He more than likely thought his military, being strong enough to keep things kind of safe in the Lightning Hellscape meant is was superior. His pride and his ego lead him to think otherwise.

[Astronis]

Yeah, Alexandria still exist in Heritage Found and Solution 9, but they are doomed for good now. We are going to wipe them out too. Their regulators no longer will have souls supplied to them, so everything in the "bubble" is doomed. Hunters in the bubble can no longer use souls, they will die trying to stop the monsters in that Lighting destroyed world. Which means eventually all of Heritage Found, Solution 9, and Living Memory will be overrun and uninhabitable. Also, we're going to put a stop to the use of Beast Souls. We're wiping out their entire culture, way of life, and any hope of continuing. They have one recourse : Abandon their culture, their home, and move to the source. Eletrope won't have use in the source without the abundance of Lightning Eather, so that'll be forgotten too.

There is no "happy ending" to this story. Alexandria is dying, and in about 100 years or so, will fade into obscurity and distant memory. If it takes even that long.

That's not really so. Life is difficult in Alexandria, but just because it's difficult doesn't mean it's doomed. They don't have a choice about 'moving to the Source'--they're already 'here'. Yeah, they'll eventually have to learn to live without backup souls to rely on, since Zoraal Ja ate so many of them. That's not exactly a civilization-ending catastrophe. But since they are on the Source already, and the bubble has been breached, that means Alexandria can establish trade with the rest of the Source, can learn new ways to deal with their issues. I'd not be at all surprised to learn that Alexandrians going forward are born with Source-dense souls, since they are now of the Source. They don't have to move anywhere if they don't want to. Electrope is still going to be useful since the bubble (that exists on the Source) still has insane amounts of lightning aether in it, and electrope now exists on the Source, in Yysalani. They'll have to adapt, but now they have a way out of their original destructive cycle. Remember--before Alexandria got fused with the Source, every Alexandrian that died was made an Endless, and the Endless consume souls. So there would always be an increasing number of Endless and a dwindling supply of souls. That is no longer the case. Alexandria *was* doomed. Now it's not.

[Espon]

Yeah, Alexandria still exist in Heritage Found and Solution 9, but they are doomed for good now. We are going to wipe them out too. Their regulators no longer will have souls supplied to them, so everything in the "bubble" is doomed. Hunters in the bubble can no longer use souls, they will die trying to stop the monsters in that Lighting destroyed world. Which means eventually all of Heritage Found, Solution 9, and Living Memory will be overrun and uninhabitable. Also, we're going to put a stop to the use of Beast Souls. We're wiping out their entire culture, way of life, and any hope of continuing. They have one recourse : Abandon their culture, their home, and move to the source. Eletrope won't have use in the source without the abundance of Lightning Eather, so that'll be forgotten too.

There is no "happy ending" to this story. Alexandria is dying, and in about 100 years or so, will fade into obscurity and distant memory. If it takes even that long.

We didn't doom the people of Heritage Found and Solution 9 and we have no plans on wiping them out. Extra souls only save them from sudden death. Getting old is still an inevitability (as we saw was the case with Namikka) and children can still be born. Even if they eventually run out of extra souls, they can still continue on living just like the rest of society, they just cannot be careless anymore with their one life.