Stop Complaining!

[Wojnar]

Are you sure you want it? If people stop complaining it means the game is dead because there is no one who cares about it.

[Keumjo]

I'm sure you will forget all about this thread when you have something to complain about.

[freekyfreezer]

Show some bloody appreciation for their hard work.

I am already "showing appreciation" by giving them 11 Euros every month. And it is one of my constitutional rights to complain about video games.

[Mistress_Irika]

Maybe you haven't realized OP, but the complaining is the reason why there are certain changes are made to where the game is completely different either for the better or worse, whether people are asking for a legitimate change to try and keep the game balanced or a feel good change to make the game easier to play without changing a single playstyle or personal approach to how the game is played. Complaining is why roles are easier to perform. Complaining is also why carbuncles have went from an offensive helper to a personal supporter.

Maybe you don't know the meta, but most of the time complaining will get you the changes that you want in a future time. More importantly, some of these complaints can be good for the community overall. So why not just call majority of these complaints criticisms? This thread was a waste in my opinion. (And yet I'm responding like the dum dum I am. *facepalms* )

[Voidmage]

That's absolutely fine. If enough players stop playing and there is no real growth anymore then, they will be compelled to make a meaningful change.

While everyone's voice matters and everyone is free to voice concerns and dissatisfaction, as long as those aren't measured in meaningful numbers, businesses will NEVER cater to a small majority. Not when other options are present on the market that could absorb those.

What is a small majority?

If a company only does things if its customers leave that is normally to late.
Especially in video games ignoring such massive feedback is a surefire way to go down.

We aren‘t even talking about additional investments here just a change in writing.
If they need the players to quitt before changing that then they should never direct a video game again because they don‘t care for it in the slightest.

In all these discussions all are only seeing the immediate money but forget about PR.

There are entire departments and external agencies specializing in that for a reason.
If your game has a bad score and several videos not liking it next to social media burning then that is a big problem for the devs because Square itself will probably want answers for that from them.


We aren‘t talking about some ingame outfit here with maybe a handful of people unhappy.
We are talking about the big advertising thing of the game, the expansionstory with LOTS of people unhappy.

[Kohashi]

What is a small majority?

If a company only does things if its customers leave that is normally to late.
Especially in video games ignoring such massive feedback is a surefire way to go down.

We aren‘t even talking about additional investments here just a change in writing.
If they need the players to quitt before changing that then they should never direct a video game again because they don‘t care for it in the slightest.

In all these discussions all are only seeing the immediate money but forget about PR.

There are entire departments and external agencies specializing in that for a reason.
If your game has a bad score and several videos not liking it next to social media burning then that is a big problem for the devs because Square itself will probably want answers for that from them.


We aren‘t talking about some ingame outfit here with maybe a handful of people unhappy.
We are talking about the big advertising thing of the game, the expansionstory with LOTS of people unhappy.

Then, if there are enough people or reasons for concern they will change stuff.

Also, what does a small majority mean in numbers, do you have any data to back this one up?

You can say a lot of things about SE but not that they don't care. It's just impossible to accommodate everyone. It's okay not to like the story. I didn't like ARR either. I've quit 3 times over it. I dislike a lot of the systems they have here also, but I have chosen to focus on the positives and the stuff I do like and I do enjoy. If there is a better option for me out there, I will choose that because at the end of the day SE doesn't owe me anything, and I am not entitled to anything.

Also, review bombing means little in the long run. Businesses only understand money and profit, as they should because that's why they are called a business.

[Voidmage]

Also, what does a small majority mean in numbers, do you have any data to back this one up?

What?
I am asking YOU because I don't know what you mean with that. You brought "small majority" up.

You can say a lot of things about SE but not that they don't care. It's just impossible to accommodate everyone. It's okay not to like the story. I didn't like ARR either. I've quit 3 times over it. I dislike a lot of the systems they have here also, but I have chosen to focus on the positives and the stuff I do like and I do enjoy. If there is a better option for me out there, I will choose that because at the end of the day SE doesn't owe me anything, and I am not entitled to anything.

I said that if they need players to quitt first before listening to feedback then they don't care.
Giving negative feedback is not entitlement by the way.

Also, review bombing means little in the long run. Businesses only understand money and profit, as they should because that's why they are called a business.

Oh come on now.
Now you throw review bombing in the ring?
There have been LOTS and LOTS of reviews about the game.
A score of around 6-6.5 is the end result of 0s, 10s (both unreasonable) and many other scores in between.
A score lower then the former lowest expansion is not good for a game and it's reception.
At this point and time after release it is a quite true indicator of player reception.

If you think a company doesn't care for PR then you have absolutely no clue of the market. I am sorry to say that.
You do know what a PR manager is right?

[Kohashi]

What?
I am asking YOU because I don't know what you mean with that. You brought "small majority" up.


I said that if they need players to quitt first before listening to feedback then they don't care.
Giving negative feedback is not entitlement by the way.


Oh come on now.
Now you throw review bombing in the ring?
There have been LOTS and LOTS of reviews about the game.
A score of around 6-6.5 is the end result of 0s, 10s (both unreasonable) and many other scores in between.
A score lower then the former lowest expansion is not good for a game and it's reception.
At this point and time after release it is a quite true indicator of player reception.

If you think a company doesn't care for PR then you have absolutely no clue of the market. I am sorry to say that.
You do know what a PR manager is right?

Just because you quit, it doesn't mean they don't care, it means you aren't fit for their product. Each company has a specific market target. It doesn't have to be you.

And complaining does not equal with giving feedback. There is a clear difference between the two. If you think feedback = complaining then we are pretty much done here.

[Kozmakis]

Ms. Malia said it very well. Get your heads out your (oh..hi moderator!) and show some appreciation.

Sorry, but I just have to ask: can you give me an example? Shall I send them a thank you note with every payment I make? Or maybe build a shrine of Yoshi-P's and have masses every day? I am curious to hear your opinion, if you decide to get your head out of their (oh... hi moderator!) and stop with all the kissing.

[Tengi]

Gotta love that "Everyone I don't like is narcissist" internet fad.