All Jobs Should Be Like Viper

[Eyrilona]

Anyone that starts a thread about how one job's style of playing (in this case, 'smooth simplicity with few buttons' ) should be the golden standard for all jobs, is making SO many unspoken assumptions.

What it usually comes down to is, something suits their preferred play style, and they do not consider that different people could actually want to play through completely different control schemes.

Let's consider if we took it in the other direction instead -- imagine for a moment that instead of chasing one design philosophy across all jobs, we instead went and had job types that play so wildly unalike that you could question if they were even in the same genre. For the sake of example, we are going to ignore questions about how they'd balance the fights, that would be an interesting hypothetical for another time. Imagine we have a job that at the start of combat ditches the whole hotbar/action interface entirely and plays like a first person shooter running around the arena. A tank job that mitigates through playing DDR. A support job that stands outside the arena and contributes to defeating the boss by rapidly solving puzzle mini games to create effects in the arena.

Would it be a bad thing if 'how it plays' is so different between jobs? Each would appeal to players that enjoy entirely different kind of challenges. There would be far fewer people that would play all the jobs, but when you think about it, why do we all feel like we need to be leveled up in every job there is anyway instead of just the ones that play in ways that we experience as fun?

This forum often says it, if you try to make a game for everyone, you make a game for noone. This applies to jobs to. It is fine if there are jobs whose style of play would not appeal to all players, as long as there are enough players that enjoy it.

Reduce all jobs to one kind of design, and you reduce the player community you are appealing to to only one niche as well.

[KageTokage]

Playing Viper has made me realize that having the combo GCDs on separate buttons for the other jobs really does not increase the sense of engagement I get to any meaningful degree.

[Magikazam]

Idk I would find it kinda sad if other job button just combined, I don't want to just spam the same key during 90% of my filler.

[Tunda]

Idk I would find it kinda sad if other job button just combined, I don't want to just spam the same key during 90% of my filler.

Spamming 1111 or 2222 or 3333 is bad
But if you mean spaming:

121
211
122
212

This is not spamming this is perfection for what it is as dual welding job

[Vahlnir]

I've been enjoying Viper a great deal. It is filling that melee dps slot I've not really been using in recent years. Reaper isn't really my thing, and SAM has become somewhat overwhelming over these past couple of expansions. Don't really care for the rest either. So, having Viper as a melee dps job has been wonderful. I will definitely get a lot of play time out of it. All of that said...no, not every job should be like Viper. There should be a variety of playstyle options. Always.

[CKNovel]

Idk I would find it kinda sad if other job button just combined, I don't want to just spam the same key during 90% of my filler.

It's good when you have 2 combos like VPR but on DRK or RPR that would be a hellish boredom.

[BokoToloko]

VPR pretty much pointing you at the next button you must press feels a bit boring. PCT, on the other hand, feels like proof Square Enix can compromise engaging job design and 2 min CD bursts meta and should be the grounds to further demand improvements on several of the current jobs' design looking forward. Looking specially at Summoner.

Also, I need to stress this out: VPR feels awful on synched down content, specially 50 and below.

[Vahlnir]

VPR pretty much pointing you at the next button you must press feels a bit boring. PCT, on the other hand, feels like proof Square Enix can compromise engaging job design and 2 min CD bursts meta and should be the grounds to further demand improvements on several of the current jobs' design looking forward. Looking specially at Summoner.

Also, I need to stress this out: VPR feels awful on synched down content, specially 50 and below.

To be fair, very few jobs are fun to play 50 and below. This isn't a Viper exclusive issue. Honestly, they should just let us keep our rotations but scale the damage down, though that would probably require rebalancing all of those instances.

[Supersnow845]

To be fair, very few jobs are fun to play 50 and below. This isn't a Viper exclusive issue. Honestly, they should just let us keep our rotations but scale the damage down, though that would probably require rebalancing all of those instances.

All jobs feel bad below 50. VPR has the distinction of somehow being the only non healer that feels bad below 90

They need to stop locking the big job mechanic of new jobs behind the level you start the expansion it launched in

VPR has this with reawaken, RPR with enshroud, GNB with continuation and DNC with technical

Ironically PCT only gets comet at 90, it’s 3 muses are at least accessible (if not complete) at 70

[Avindr]

Just imagine for a moment having different jobs that suite the varying tastes of different types of players... Madness I know!

Bro I will quit the game instantly if they made all jobs like Viper. It's hands down the most boring melee. It's like they took summoner and made it a melee. Holy cow I hope SE looks at these forums for what not to do because it's a treasure trove for that.