All Jobs Should Be Like Viper

[Tunda]

Viper is the best job design of all time in FFXIV
Why:

1- very few skills makes remembering rotation is easy. Without making the job braindead.

2- no trash skills or mid skills all skills have clear purpose

3- animation is clean and there is no clipping even with high skill speed

All I mean ALL jobs should move to this direction but not in homogenized way

Litterally we have 4 buttons for astro to use cards
We have million other skills with healers kit

We have jobs with identity crisis like dark knight and Machinist and every healer

Viper is the golden standard for perfect design job with limited buttons and clean combos making game challenging and fun

Please do same for other and new jobs

[Volfe]

I've found Viper to be kinda boring, just mash the same buttons quickly. Though it's probably just not for me.

[Tunda]

I've never been as bored playing a class as I've been with Viper, just mash the same buttons quickly. Though it's probably just not for me.

You are correct.. even RPR isn't for me either because of slowness of the job

But RPR is good design job and it is almost perfect but AOE skills are just not that great compared to VPR

Buttons should be less
Animation should be clean
Enforcing identity to jobs
Balance

[Supersnow845]

I think PCT is the better job design going forward

It condenses its core rotations into a single button so at any one time you can really only press 10 buttons or so but its rotation is incredibly Freeform and complex and it has no redundant actions

VPR to me leans too heavily towards “the class plays itself”

[CidHeiral]

[Tunda]

I think PCT is the better job design going forward

It condenses its core rotations into a single button so at any one time you can really only press 10 buttons or so but its rotation is incredibly Freeform and complex and it has no redundant actions

VPR to me leans too heavily towards “the class plays itself”

There is room for improvement nothing is 100%

But compared to other jobs it is perfect

I didn't play picto yet but I will try to give my opinion

Play it self is wrong term "glowing buttons" make it easy to understand the fight more than focusing on your bar and 3 other parameter

Playing Viper at high end is balance for my experience

[Supersnow845]

There is room for improvement nothing is 100%

But compared to other jobs it is perfect

I didn't play picto yet but I will try to give my opinion

Play it self is wrong term "glowing buttons" make it easy to understand the fight more than focusing on your bar and 3 other parameter

Playing Viper at high end is balance for my experience

Oh I don’t disagree on VPR’s balance and its optimisation my only point on the “it plays itself” is the core combo is like 12 buttons condensed into 2 but the system progresses the combo you need next to its logical end without your intervention

It’s like if SAM had a one button combo and each time you started it it just progressed to the next sticker you needed without you actually intervening

PCT meanwhile has a standard 1-2-3 but there is never a reason to deviate from it because it is a standard 1-2-3

Sorry I should have made the point on “plays itself” clearer

[Voidmage]

Not every different opinion is bait you know.


At topic:
Viper is good for what it is. A fast paced and simple job.
Could it be used on other jobs? Probably in some form.
I could personally see it in monk but I’m not knowledgeable enough on that.

I prefer pic personally. Much Freeform while still simple enough.
A mix between long casts and instant casts.

At the end I think those two jobs are a good base for job identity and others should use their own thing instead of copying them.

[Oizen]

I'm not against it, I think its notable that PVP manages to make jobs more unique with 1/10th the skills that PVE has.

I also embrace combo buttons as the future.

[GrizzlyTank]

... Still haven't tried viper.

But, if a job have few buttons and is proc based. Then they should consider giving them a shorter gcd than the standard 3-2.5 second one.