Can we doing something about Scholar stacks in PvP?

[Mawlzy]

Doesn't this get hard countered by having a healer or two in alliance?

Or just recuperate to full and pop elixir so it has time to go off.

Apparently they're on strike.

Plus... Sure recup+elixir is what you hope you have available, but as tank/melee, if you've just dived in and are escaping, you'll frequently not have the MP to recup enough, and have to get far enough away so that damn MCH who has been sniping you all game can't get off a shot.

[Mawlzy]

Now call me crazy but Frontline players are weird to me - if there are actions that generally gain value to the point of being oppressive... how about you dont all stand together in a 15y circle or tighter?

Surely the map design will allow for spacing and cover not needing 16-24 players in one spot? The only time I understand clumps of players happening is melee attackers on a focused target but the ranged players can space out a bit.

Possibly because they've been yelled at by premade commanders for not following the "D" waymark. Thus they have had it beaten into them to zerg to maximize the K/D/A of their commanding premade, thereby becoming fodder for an opposing one.

Maybe these premades are in some kind of a trades union and planned it like this?

[Roguewaves]

This was my thought too, was to just have pocket/dedicated healers to keep check on everyone. But realistically, who in FL is actually looking out for anyone else outside their own party LOL

The hard counter is healers in EACH party, it's nearly impossible to save anyone outside of your own party when they're dying en mass to the plague. There is no healer with an aoe heal that effects members outside of your own party.

[IDontPetLalas]

The hard counter is healers in EACH party, it's nearly impossible to save anyone outside of your own party when they're dying en mass to the plague. There is no healer with an aoe heal that effects members outside of your own party.

You're not likely to get someone dedicated to healing you. Especially when (a) healing skills were adjusted - remember the prior mode that no one liked, the one where healers were supposed to heal the party? We aren't in that mode any more. (b) healers make nice targets themselves.

So the party also has AOE utility (e.g. dancers, picto) - you can't just rely on a healer.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Possibly because they've been yelled at by premade commanders for not following the "D" waymark. Thus they have had it beaten into them to zerg to maximize the K/D/A of their commanding premade, thereby becoming fodder for an opposing one.

Maybe these premades are in some kind of a trades union and planned it like this?

Wait, people order around movement with waymarks now for deathballing? Am I getting this right?

Like don't get me wrong, zerg/deathball is strong for a reason, but in a pvp format where AOE abilities are ACTUALLY strong, that just sounds like one of many dumb ways to die in largescale PvP.

[Mawlzy]

Wait, people order around movement with waymarks now for deathballing? Am I getting this right?

Like don't get me wrong, zerg/deathball is strong for a reason, but in a pvp format where AOE abilities are ACTUALLY strong, that just sounds like one of many dumb ways to die in largescale PvP.

Exactly so, although "people" here is mostly a tiny minority; specifically Olivia and her proteges.

It works exceedingly well for them in terms of win-rate and K/D/A, because naturally post-burst they are the first to break out of the deathball and leave the other players, who might as well be NPCs for all the agency they are given, to take the brunt of any counter-attack.

Unfortunately a waymark does absolutely nothing to encourage players to think about the strategic and tactical situations around them, nor do they learn that part of the counter to an enemy DRK dive is to spread out. But many military commanders discourage foot soldiers from thinking.

Classic case of the needs of the few being given precedence over the survival of the many, with a side-serving of Charge of the Light Brigade thrown in.

[Chasingstars]

Doesn't this get hard countered by having a healer or two in alliance?

Or just recuperate to full and pop elixir so it has time to go off.

No. As depending on how many dots you have currently active on you and how much battle high the enemy scholars have, it can shred through your health even with shields and heals. Technically the only safe ones are like ninja as they have a base of 50% damage reduction in addition to heals and shields. If you play a squishier character like a healer, your damage reduction versus the dot is only 25%.

[Typhun]

No. As depending on how many dots you have currently active on you and how much battle high the enemy scholars have, it can shred through your health even with shields and heals. Technically the only safe ones are like ninja as they have a base of 50% damage reduction in addition to heals and shields. If you play a squishier character like a healer, your damage reduction versus the dot is only 25%.

Smart scholars spread off of the squishies to negate melees' innate mit

[Chasingstars]

Smart scholars spread off of the squishies to negate melees' innate mit

Yep. They been like this since literally 6.1. For a brief while during endwalker, they were given a 10% damage penalty while in frontlines content, but then later that was reversed. As to actually address the matter is to adjust how things like debuffs work, like only being able to have a set amount in pvp that are of the same sort. Given how they basically did nothing except damage penalties while in FL, its kind of evident they don't do much for balancing pvp.

[Nubrication]

While I definitely don't mind playing into premade metas, such as people spamming Dark Knight, this one is kind of has no counterplay. There is no way to dispel or remove DOTs off of you and it deals a lot of damage.

Literally don’t stack with your teammates when you don’t need to?

Kill SCHs when you get the chance so they don’t get BH5.

Play ranged.

Play MCH and get a good burst and snipe on them?

Catch the SCH off guard when they get over-confident in their bio spreading? (Which actually happens a lot but people ignore SCH because they see them as low prio).

This all requires you to be a decent pvper. But since you’re a normal grinder, this should be easy for you.