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    Quote Originally Posted by PorxiesRCute View Post
    By one Endless. That's the thing. More of the Endless should have been aware of our plan and should have been telling us to go for it.
    As I said before: This is how the game does this sort of discussion, all the time. It's neither feasible in story economy, nor honestly all that interesting, to depict an entire society's feelings on itself in a story that's not about just that and nothing else. So, instead of doing that, we see it reflected in one person; in this case, Cahciua. She's in much the same position as the Chais in Eulmore; we don't expect the entire society of Eulmore to go through the process of change and growth on screen, we see the Chais do it and then accept that everyone else did more or less the same.

    Living Memory actually is like that, especially if you do the post-shutdown quests (the aether current quests should be enough, but the one that hit like a truck for me was the Yesterland yellow quest). The people of Living Memory know what they are, they know what the cost is, and they accept that it had to stop; they were just a little too wrapped up in their own happiness to really act on it. If I thought we were getting a significant amount more quests in Living Memory, I'd suspect that to almost be by design, and the sign of a nefarious hand behind the scenes; keep the Endless happy and short-sighted, and they never think about the injustices they're built on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    As I said before: This is how the game does this sort of discussion, all the time. It's neither feasible in story economy, nor honestly all that interesting, to depict an entire society's feelings on itself in a story that's not about just that and nothing else. So, instead of doing that, we see it reflected in one person; in this case, Cahciua. She's in much the same position as the Chais in Eulmore; we don't expect the entire society of Eulmore to go through the process of change and growth on screen, we see the Chais do it and then accept that everyone else did more or less the same.
    See for me it just doesn't entirely work that Cahciua is the one to be in the position of the broader society. She has been in Alexandria for 30 years.
    She's also a viera who's lifespan is ~400-500 years. and it has been only 3 years since Erenville left from Tural to Sharlyan. So that means Erenvilles mom and mentor must have been really old already before she got swooped into the dome. In that sense I can give her the benefit of the doubt that she must have some wisdom with her age. But she's only known the Alexandrian way for 30 years.

    Couldn't there been someone who's actually Alexandrian to guide us along with Cahciua? I'm not entirely certain of the timeline of how long it has been that this system has been online, but we do know that it the lightning storms BEGAN 8 centuries ago and Electrope was discovered 4 centuries after that. So vaguely speaking I would say Living memory's system came online 100-300years ago. Which means theres atleast someone more suited to talk about the Alexandrians than Cahciua.

    Or is it because she was such a rebel of the system and the only one who ventured outside of it that she became their spokesperson?

    There's just alot here that's sortof unanswered fully and kind of has a taste of a rushed ending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirutsuki View Post
    Or is it because she was such a rebel of the system and the only one who ventured outside of it that she became their spokesperson?
    It's because she's the one we know. Or perhaps more accurately, the one that knows us; Namikka and Otis are somewhat blind to the situation they're in at first, and Krile's parents we only knew at a distance, but Cahciua's someone we had a pre-existing relationship with that still holds. It's the same reason our Ala Mhigo stories are all focused on Lyse, Raubahn and Arenvald; even when other characters are the 'core' of the story, they're our primary contact.

    But also, you're forgetting that Cahciua isn't the only character. Sure, she's the primary contact, but Namikka, Otis and Krile's parents are there and talk to us about all this. Cahciua is not the only voice in this, she's just the one that guides us. In fact, if your argument is that Cahciua is too new to the party herself, that should be enough for you, because we also hear from the absolute oldest Endless that there is. And he's okay with what we're doing, once he learns what it actually entails.

    If Cahciua isn't enough, then maybe Cahciua and Otis is enough. And if it's not, maybe your problem lies elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirutsuki View Post
    See for me it just doesn't entirely work that Cahciua is the one to be in the position of the broader society. She has been in Alexandria for 30 years.
    She's also a viera who's lifespan is ~400-500 years. and it has been only 3 years since Erenville left from Tural to Sharlyan. So that means Erenvilles mom and mentor must have been really old already before she got swooped into the dome.
    Viera lifespan is more like 200 years, but in any case since we're not told how she died, we don't know if she actually did live that long overall. That said, we can assume she was at least around 100 since she travelled with Gulool Ja Ja eighty years ago.

    I don't think that inherently undermines her ability to have an informed opinion on the Alexandrian mindset, though. Thirty years is almost half a human lifetime. It's a long time to describe as "only".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Viera lifespan is more like 200 years
    Much more than that. Almet says to Urianger that Viis can easily live to see "3 of your elven lifetimes". Elezen live ~120 years, so that'd bring Vieras to a minimum of 360-400.
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