Problematic notion about Zone 5 & 6 story bits.

[OMGJesuis66]

Honestly, I am on a very personal level, in agreement with how the events in Living Memory unfolded.
Those people were already dead, they relieve memories as stored Data in a Machine, their aspirations only exist based on past memories and they are *unable* to develop beyond what was coded.
Their hopes and dreams were the same hopes and dreams once they were alive, they could not make new ones, Sphene did, and she became an anomaly, which is why she had to erase her own memories to break the strings that held her back from achieving her primary function. It is all code and AI, and as the name stated for the place: It is a Living Memory.

There is no other solution. The ethical solution is to shut everything down, to let those people rest and move on, for they are to rejoin the Aetherial Sea and their souls will become someone new as they live again. That is THE BEST possible outcome for those people, what happened in that place was a massive tragedy akin to nature. Which is why Cachiua states that all things die. But those people there, are not alive. They have been dead for thousands of years. To allow the natural course of life to follow is only kindness to those.

[Kirutsuki]

Honestly, I am on a very personal level, in agreement with how the events in Living Memory unfolded.
Those people were already dead, they relieve memories as stored Data in a Machine, their aspirations only exist based on past memories and they are *unable* to develop beyond what was coded.
Their hopes and dreams were the same hopes and dreams once they were alive, they could not make new ones, Sphene did, and she became an anomaly, which is why she had to erase her own memories to break the strings that held her back from achieving her primary function. It is all code and AI, and as the name stated for the place: It is a Living Memory.

There is no other solution. The ethical solution is to shut everything down, to let those people rest and move on, for they are to rejoin the Aetherial Sea and their souls will become someone new as they live again. That is THE BEST possible outcome for those people, what happened in that place was a massive tragedy akin to nature. Which is why Cachiua states that all things die. But those people there, are not alive. They have been dead for thousands of years. To allow the natural course of life to follow is only kindness to those.

But we act as the judge, jury and executioner, without any question or proper understanding that that is the case. We just trust Cahciua on her word that this is the only solution.
What I mean by this is that I understand with your point of the Endless being just lines of code and I agree, but we never confront an Endless to make the distinction clear.
Erenville was the closest of the bunch that I related to because he wasn't treating Cahciua as just lines of code.

Let me ask you this, if a solution is found later. Someone just comes in and asks "why didn't you do this or that?" and it would have kept all in Living Memory alive and not force Sphene to invade other Reflections.
Do you think you could stand on the side that this was an ethical solution, when you stopped someone from meeting their son or a loved one in the afterlife?
Why was Krile & her parents or Cahciua allowed to have their dreams fulfilled? Isn't that quite selfish?

I would never say that it was only a kindness to those memories, unless I specifically saw that they were actually suffering from this existence. They knew what they were and they seemed all really happy.

[Zero-ELEC]

If you interact with the Endless that give sidequests after the terminals are off, they generally just accept without much issue that they were turned off and in one case even say that keeping them "alive" at the cost of the lives of others would be unconscionable.

Let me ask you this, if a solution is found later. Someone just comes in and asks "why didn't you do this or that?" and it would have kept all in Living Memory alive and not force Sphene to invade other Reflections.

If we're talking about hypotheticals like these, then they can simply be turned back on. We know that various Endless have been turned off before; particular people were turned on and off multiple times over the years as the aether reserves that sustained them dwindled. If their existence was genuinely threatened by being turned off then they were already on the verge of nonexistence.

[Kirutsuki]

If you interact with the Endless that give sidequests after the terminals are off, they generally just accept without much issue that they were turned off and in one case even say that keeping them "alive" at the cost of the lives of others would be unconscionable.

Yea I did all the sidequests and they did act as if they knew what was going on to some extent. But neither did they show any particular emotions about people being gone so it was a bit weird.
If it was that Cahciua indeed talked to all the residents, why didn't she clearly say that yea everyone knows they should be shut down. This one dude was so happy he just got his wife back even :'D

Honestly I would probably be happy if there's like a tribe questline here in living memory where we slowly bring like a small section back online and make it clear what's going on.
Could be an interesting thing to do, or maybe too cruel of a thing to do at this point.

[Alenore]

Yea I did all the sidequests and they did act as if they knew what was going on to some extent. But neither did they show any particular emotions about people being gone so it was a bit weird.
If it was that Cahciua indeed talked to all the residents, why didn't she clearly say that yea everyone knows they should be shut down. This one dude was so happy he just got his wife back even :'D

Honestly I would probably be happy if there's like a tribe questline here in living memory where we slowly bring like a small section back online and make it clear what's going on.
Could be an interesting thing to do, or maybe too cruel of a thing to do at this point.

They know they're pretty much projections from the terminal. For them, the temrinal being shut down means they'll just be reincarnated at another time, sinc ethey've been through multiple cycles of beinc recreated.
I suppose they think we're just shutting down the terminal, and not erasing data. I kinda want to know other translations on the matter, do they also use "erase"?

[OMGJesuis66]

Let me ask you this, if a solution is found later. Someone just comes in and asks "why didn't you do this or that?" and it would have kept all in Living Memory alive and not force Sphene to invade other Reflections.
Do you think you could stand on the side that this was an ethical solution, when you stopped someone from meeting their son or a loved one in the afterlife?
Why was Krile & her parents or Cahciua allowed to have their dreams fulfilled? Isn't that quite selfish?

I would never say that it was only a kindness to those memories, unless I specifically saw that they were actually suffering from this existence. They knew what they were and they seemed all really happy.

Even if presented with another solution, I would still say that the ethical route was to shut everything down.
That 'happiness' was false. Not saying they were not happy, but due to the fact they are not real, happiness doesn't exist. Again, it's an actual living memory. It's just a person who long passed in a simulacrum, it is not real.
The kindness I mentioned is that while those memories preserve that illusion of happiness, their actual souls would never be able to move on and rest. And for them to live, living people would eventually need to be killed.
It's a Limbo, in all senses. A glorified mausoleum, where souls are unable to move on and yet live in bliss.
Shutting down is bittersweet. It is kindness, but a painful one.