post-Dawntrail even story dungeons are harder and more punishing to heal than ever

[Arohk]

The game is too hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzOLJo8rxq4

(Dude is literally doing nothing and still killing it lmao)

[OneBigFish]

I will very much disagree with healers not standing close to boss. I play this game as healer on savage and ultimate level. I always stick to the boss because that way the aoe heals reach everyone including the tank and meele players. Usually ranged players also stick close to boss because it is understood that healers have range on aoe heals and if you are very far out, you might miss the heals. Only reason to go that far out is for spread mechanics, that's really it.

[267270]

Healers are being required to heal in normal content for the first time in a couple of years. It's understandable that they're surprised and uncomfortable.

[Linnaete]

thank you for being somewhat mroe reasonable than the people who have been so mean and judgemental... i've only been focusing on optimizing and stuff because i want to be better prepared for when i finish the msq because i don't want to "miss out" on endgame like i did in endwalker due to struggling making grouping for the harder stuff more difficult...I just.... want to be better prepared for the actual endgame this time... and i feel like if i can't even get good results in xivanalysis in a dungeon... what possible hope do i have to not miss out or not be allowed to take part in endgame again?

I just don't think it's worth being so results-driven in a story dungeon when the objective is simply to clear it and move on & occasionally return to it while levelling another job or on roulette.

If you want to touch endgame content, you need to address how you mentally approach fights and not allow the ghosts of past performance weigh you down. Perhaps this level 99 dungeon and first boss can be a good mental challenge to overcome and that way you slowly claw back some confidence. Go in to an unfamiliar fight with the understanding that no one will ever expect you to be perfect at it. You will make mistakes in an unfamiliar fight. That's just how things naturally are. A boss will catch you off guard and you use that opportunity to learn from it and better anticipate for next time. The more you do it, the more familiar you are with a fight. And the more familiar you are with it, the more proactive you can be in knowing when to throw a shield up first, what the boss is about to do next according to its cast bar, and when to move.

All it requires is that you are willing and able to recognise how to address and amend your mistakes. If you can get into that more reasonable mindset instead of the more accelerationist "I must make maximum use of my uptime now no matter the cost" you will have a much better time.

You can apply that to endgame raids. It's why day 1 Arcadion normal raids were so much fun. Bosses caught people out with new twists on familiar mechanics. I must have been an absolute wreck when it came to optimisation. Goodness knows how much I overhealed just on the safe side instead of using those GCDs and MP on more Fall Malefic casts. I must have taken a dirt nap a good half a dozen times. I wasn't concerned about my uptime and how best I used it; I was concerned about trying to pick up on boss mechanics and keeping myself and people alive, and I loved it.

I don't believe you're a lost cause. I think you can do it. It's just that you're not currently in the right state of mind which adversely impacts your approach and performance. It's causing you to hyper-focus on the wrong things and cause you to make mistakes that most people likely wouldn't make. Take the time you need, and if need be, look over footage of other healers attempting this boss to help illustrate how you could improve and adapt here.

[Jinglypockets]

The fundamental issue you're running into is inflexibility. You've created certain rules for yourself that you've decided you must follow at all times, even when it's to your detriment.

The people offering you advice aren't speculating on what *might* work. They're people who have killed the boss with no trouble.

Lots of Sages kill this boss every day. They do it by not running through poison. I would personally start by trying a strategy of not running through the poison. Even if you try it and don't kill the boss right away, I promise this first step will be necessary for you to get this kill.

[EponaTBHSMH]

thank you for being somewhat mroe reasonable than the people who have been so mean and judgemental... i've only been focusing on optimizing and stuff because i want to be better prepared for when i finish the msq because i don't want to "miss out" on endgame like i did in endwalker due to struggling making grouping for the harder stuff more difficult...I just.... want to be better prepared for the actual endgame this time... and i feel like if i can't even get good results in xivanalysis in a dungeon... what possible hope do i have to not miss out or not be allowed to take part in endgame again?

What good is it to clear a dungeon if I didn't "really" clear it because my uptime was low and i didn't pull my weight? these are the best ways i can describe my fears, especially given that dungeons are a lot harder than they were in the previous expansion.

maybe i just have a skewed sense of priorities and i'll just keep what you said in mind after I.... step away from thes discussion to cool my head... i deleted the unlisted video because the harassment was getting too bad...

I can relate with you due to the fact that I was interested in savage before I started playing this game, along with what people above me have said you also need a good deal of patience.

I started playing this game during Creator, the last raid tier of Heavensward.
At the time I was a DPS so the context might not be exactly the same but when I reached the endgame and finally found a group to do savage with, I was awful at the game.

I was awful at DPSing I was getting hit by mechanics, I was dying, I perpetuated the dragoon floor tank meme from back then, but I still persevered in finding groups, despite my poor performances, because the endgame was really what interested me back then I did not want to miss out.

I can assure you that it's only during the middle of stormblood, almost a year later that I started being comfortable with savage, despite doing my rotations fine in dungeons.

My point is you might be setting up these standards for yourself this high before the endgame to prepare but the best place to get better at savage is in savage. Because even while in savage you will still be a work in progress, you'll still be getting better there despite any preparation you make in dungeons and that is okay, so please please just chill in dungeon content

[Solragor]

Alright, I have read the whole thing, and I haven't seen anyone offer it so here I go.


I am a tank and I will get you through this dungeon.

Just let me know when you are available, and we can travel to Shadow DC and group up.

I promise that I will not judge your gameplay or the amount of tries it takes.
If anyone complains in the dungeon, with 2 people we are enough to votekick them.

The only thing I want in return, is your promise to follow me during the bossfights.
When I move for mechanics, you follow. Even it means you lose uptime.

How does this sound? You up for it?

bumping because it may have been missed. The offer is very much still on the table

[IMMikazuki]

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When healers are looking to optimize, they think of the following things (not an exhaustive list):
- What and when is the next mechanic going to happen so I can start moving towards a position where I can resolve it with minimal movement, thus granting me higher uptime?
- Related to point 1, how much damage is going to happen so what button am I going to press? Can I get away with heal over time?
- Related to point 1, how much movement is needed to successfully resolve the mechanic? I'm not going to move more than I would need to. Maybe I'll need to save a resource for it such as Swiftcast, Lilies, Lightspeed, etc.

Healers do not really heal reactively, they plan the fight out looking into the near-future. Being comfortable leaving people at 10% HP and letting them regen up because they know there's no further damage. That kind of thing.

You are far from the level to begin thinking about optimization, because you simply do not understand the fight, or the game in general to be able to optimize. You don't seem to recognize how poor you position (standing next to the static poison puddles and moving through them..) and how much wasted movement you have.

Optimization is reliant on knowledge of how the fight works, how your class works, where your buttons are, how the classes in your party work, and minimizing movement.

You are not at the level to begin thinking of endgame content or optimization - Try beating the boss first without anyone dying.

No one tries to optimize a fight or section of fight they don't understand fully, and if you're the type of player in prog that lets people die or die themselves trying to "optimize" when you haven't even finished progging that section, you would be someone that no one would want in a group.


Think of it from another perspective: Your goal as a healer is to resolve mechanics successfully with as minimal of movement as possible, that way you are always in a position to HEAL if the need arises when others mess up. If you don't need to heal, then you do damage instead.

This game is not difficult, its your mindset and way you approach the content that is making it difficult.

[Saraide]

The fundamental issue you're running into is inflexibility. You've created certain rules for yourself that you've decided you must follow at all times, even when it's to your detriment.

The people offering you advice aren't speculating on what *might* work. They're people who have killed the boss with no trouble.

Lots of Sages kill this boss every day. They do it by not running through poison. I would personally start by trying a strategy of not running through the poison. Even if you try it and don't kill the boss right away, I promise this first step will be necessary for you to get this kill.

Very well put. It's that inflexibility that is causing the problems in this dungeon and it's the same inflexibility that has cause OP to get stuck on savage bosses in endwalker. Unless they manage to overcome that I dont see good chances of having fun in harder content.

[Penguinvader]

Here is a video of me beating that boss using only left click and right click: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3tLJj2zKqw

It really is not hard, you just have to look at the boss during Vasoconstrictor, and reset to the middle after every dodge.
Keeping casting uptime during it is hard, but if it's too hard for you, you can simply not do it. Not casting Dosis is less of a DPS loss than wiping.