FFXIV: Do Better

[Kes13a]

Ok, what does competency mean to you? How would a player of FFXIV display competence to you?

the ability to do the job you signed up to a roulette with. tanks that know what a mitigation is, healer that can heal and not just dps while the party dies around them. at any level over 50, I would say thats something that should be learned. if they cant, well, they can easily save $15 a month then... or play a different job.

[Striker44]

It's this kind of attitude that causes nothing but rot
There is no reason to not strive for better and ask for better

The issue is that "better" is entirely subjective, and what is "better" for one person could just as easily be "worse" for others. Refusing to make adjustments can result in stagnation, but changing too much can just as easily make something fall apart.

And when you have a concern about the game I hope people are there to call you a minority until the invisible majority has eaten itself alive

I think it would be wise to differentiate between "concerns" that can be addressed without potentially impacting other players negatively vs. those that can't. For example, people asking for additional graphics options, more ways to complete relics, etc....providing those extra options doesn't take away from anyone else. However, addressing other concerns can require significantly and fundamentally changing the game, and that is a risky endeavour.

Everything the OP said, for example, about making things "better" omits the phrase "for the OP." Interestingly, said OP also seems to get a free pass for referencing a claimed "invisible many other people."

Congratulations, you are the target audience. Off to another 10 years of homogenization and designing for the bottom of the barrel.

And yet another example of how the echo chamber treats people who dare to say anything positive. Saved for posterity.

Instead of dumbing down and making simple games to attract people with 7-year old under-developed brains the better game developers design easy to learn but hard to master games like Elden Ring/Souls games and Baldur's gate.

Not a direct response to anyone, but just more of the condescending and belittling attitude on display.

[ty_taurus]

Everything the OP said, for example, about making things "better" omits the phrase "for the OP." Interestingly, said OP also seems to get a free pass for referencing a claimed "invisible many other people."

And yet another example of how the echo chamber treats people who dare to say anything positive. Saved for posterity.

Not a direct response to anyone, but just more of the condescending and belittling attitude on display.

I cannot speak on behalf of other people, but as the OP, I will speak for this topic. If you enjoy current job design already, great. I’m happy for you. All I want is to be able to enjoy it too. That’s it.

Objectively and undeniably, the current design is failing for a chunk of the player base so much so that it is shoving players out of jobs they used to enjoy, roles they typically enjoy, and out of the game completely. It would undeniably be better if job design were not so polarizing that it was killing the enjoyment for a chunk of players old and new while still being enjoyable for the people who are fine with it now. We had this before and there is no reason we can’t have it again.

I will repeat, if you’re content with the current design, fantastic. That’s wonderful. I want to enjoy it too. That’s it. It’s not a crime to want to be a part of the fun and to ask to be a part of the fun. If it is, then report me.

[Isala]

Not a direct response to anyone, but just more of the condescending and belittling attitude on display.

It's not condescending to say the game is designed to be played by literal children. I would know. My ex let her actual child play the game, and he still performed better than the kinds of players SE keeps designing for.

[Dogempire]

It's not condescending to say the game is designed to be played by literal children. I would know. My ex let her actual child play the game, and he still performed better than the kinds of players SE keeps designing for.

Children are surprisingly intelligent and if you underestimate how intelligent they are, you end up getting blindsided as a result.

That being said, the people who these job design homogenizations were for weren't clever children, and aren't intelligent adults either.

[GrizzlyTank]

Children are surprisingly intelligent and if you underestimate how intelligent they are, you end up getting blindsided as a result.

That being said, the people who these job design homogenizations were for weren't clever children, and aren't intelligent adults either.

And children can be much faster than adults to learn things. Fair enough, there is a low age range where they are profoundly dumb, but outside of that they shouldn't be as infantilized as some likes to do.

Respect everyone!

[Kes13a]

The issue is that "better" is entirely subjective, and what is "better" for one person could just as easily be "worse" for others. Refusing to make adjustments can result in stagnation, but changing too much can just as easily make something fall apart.



I think it would be wise to differentiate between "concerns" that can be addressed without potentially impacting other players negatively vs. those that can't. For example, people asking for additional graphics options, more ways to complete relics, etc....providing those extra options doesn't take away from anyone else. However, addressing other concerns can require significantly and fundamentally changing the game, and that is a risky endeavour.

Everything the OP said, for example, about making things "better" omits the phrase "for the OP." Interestingly, said OP also seems to get a free pass for referencing a claimed "invisible many other people."

whereas you, just want things to remain as they are.. for you....where you always omit the "for me" and your "invisible many other people"

things about opinions is, the same can be said for all of them. they are entirely subjective.

[PaulH]

Hello, all.

My sub ends tomorrow, so I believe this will be my last message for a while--maybe until 8.0. I have not touched a single minute of Dawntrail's story, its dungeons, or its content. Yet it's not because I'm burnt out of FFXIV. On the contrary, I have a very strong urge to play through Dawntrail's content, but what I have absolutely no drive to do whatsoever is put up with Endwalker job design any longer. It's a weird feeling, having both a constant urge to want to play the game and yet dreading the idea of actually playing the game. I want to explore the Story. I refuse to put up with Dosis spam. I want to try Arcadion. I am burnt out of DPS jobs. I want to see the upcoming field operations. I have no interest in trying tank jobs. I feel torn to say the least.

I'll get to the point. I love FFXIV, but I hate Endwalker PVE job design. I would play through the story as PVP Sage if I could, but I can't, and there's not a single PVE job that I want to touch with a 10 foot pole. Yoshi P, if you truly want FFXIV to be a game for everyone, do better.

Because this ongoing hyper simplified job design has alienated not just me, but many others who have also resigned and left the game. There has to be a better middle ground that's still approachable but doesn't exclude the players who want to engage with job design. Don't wait for 8.0 to make changes. Just waiting for 8.0 to address these issues is cutting corners when there are things you could do now to make job design more enjoyable without sweeping reworks.

Make healers more enjoyable now. Leave Viper alone for the players who enjoy its complexity. Restore nonstandard gameplay aspects to Black Mage and other jobs as well. There is a healthy middle ground you can achieve with job design, and this is clearly not it. Goodbye for now everyone, I hope all of you are able to find enjoyment in the jobs even if I cannot and enjoy what Dawntrail has in store. I sincerely hope I can return sooner rather than later.

I feel mixed about this I am sad that you’re off on a personal level as I have enjoyed your many many contributions to the forums over the years and have liked a lot of your thoughts and insights for healer and the support you had for it and was glad for you that you found Sage and the game life extended for you. But happiness and enjoyment is important and I always say when the fun stops then stop. I do hope that whatever game or things you do next fulfill the space ffxiv leaves behind and you have great fun doing it <3. Anyway I do hope to see you back sometime WoL all the best Ty.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Back in my day, if you didn't like a game, you just stopped playing it and played other games that you like more as you moved on with your life.

These days, things are different, apparently.

[Isala]

Back in my day, if you didn't like a game, you just stopped playing it and played other games that you like more as you moved on with your life.

These days, things are different, apparently.

Back in our day, there was enough competition that you could hop into a game in the same genre, and enjoy it. Now, there are so very few actual tab target MMOs around, if you want this playstyle, your choices are severely limited. Trust me. I went hunting HARD the last several years, and this one might suck in certain ways, but the very few alternatives have more than their own fair share of problems.