Difficulty of normal content.

[ArielTimeshrine]

idk I'm kinda sick of people who run content ONCE, at a push twice, die over and over, and because of that consider it a fault of the core design.

As with any normal content, I guarantee the 5th time you run it, it will be so much easier for you.

Failing that, how about:

A) Don't do the content. Half of the stuff folks are complaining about are optional anyway.
or
B) Persevere. Learn. Failure causes you to grow and learn, so long as you use like one braincell and look inward, content will only become easier.

Genuinely don't understand why people are so deathly afraid of wiping and taking option B. I've been seeing posts on Twitter too where people complain about not wanting to wipe after their first run. Why are you afraid of resetting and trying again when this is something you do regularly in any other genre of game? Does it hurt your ego? Well I'm sorry, your ego has no place here if you haven't learned anything in five expansions to back it up. It's baffling how fragile players nowadays are. Fight design is the ONE thing I will praise DT for, and they're trying to squander it.

[CateDesu]

This is kind of sad. Barely even noticed the difficulty of this stuff changed at all. Just learn one single extreme and the rest of the normal content will forever be braindead to you. I'm happy they're at least trying to make this an MMO a little bit again.

[Kai-XP]

On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

I think this aside is unnecessary to the conversation and lacks context to the issue of Criterion Dungeons/ Criterion Savage. Criterion Dungeons and Savages are highly engaging pieces of content, but outside of AloAlo Island Savage, why would the average player want to go back into the content if the rewards for doing said content amounts to Materia? After the the 1st clear it'd be like, "wow this was great, but what's the point of doing it again even though it's great content"

[Mishaniz]

I am a pretty casual player, started on the free trial during ShB, go caught up during EW, and this is the first expac I've been around at launch for. I've never done any extremes or savages without unsyncing them for Wondorous tales or my HW relic. I do duty support for my first run of content whenever possible. I absolutely love the difficulty of the MSQ content, expert dungeons, and these raids. if you think you're getting killed out of nowhere, you're probably not looking at the boss's animations or the environment.
And remember: its okay to get hit. its okay to die. you're not doing world-first prog, you're doing regular content in duty finder or with duty support. if you think there's just too much going on at once, do the basics of your rotation and watch the mechanics. once you are comfortable with dodging, then you can work on getting more damage out while things are happening.

you absolutely can clear whatever content you are stuck on. I believe in you.

[Kiurt]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

I love how you again took only some part of what was said, this time about criterion. The fights themselves weren't interesting. Difficulty for the sake of difficulty isn't "fun". There's a middle ground to have between interesting mechanics and difficulty to do them.

So no, the rewards weren't the ONLY reason that criterion wasn't played. Replayability was also an issue.

[Gummiisnacks]

This is coming from someone who considers themselves to be a 'casual'
I mean this in the nicest way possible but if you have been playing this game long enough to be at level 100 you should know your basics in this game, including the fact that you are going to die while learning and that normal raids were made more difficult than the normal trials because they are optional content that you don't even ever have to touch.
The only way you will not learn is if you aren't paying attention or are actively trying your hardest to not absorb the clear information the fights are giving you, it's as simple as that.

[buppers]

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.

with full respect, if you do not try then you will not improve. this isn't something that only applies to savage raiders, but to everyone. by refusing to do the content—which, in all fairness, you're well within your rights to do—you are stifling your potential for improvement, thus making things harder for yourself and the game less enjoyable.

you'll find that a lot of Dawntrail content design revolves around a surprise gimmick that typically will get most players the first time they encounter it. my honest advice (to you, and anyone else who feels similarly) is this: change how you view this game and the challenges it offers. instead of throwing your arms up and going "well that's it then i simply can't do it so i won't try to", cultivate a better response to gameplay failures in yourself so you don't take it as harshly. look at what the people that are successfully clearing/dodging a mechanic are doing. ask yourself WHY you died. what did they do differently to you? how are they moving around the arena? ask your party if anyone has any advice if you're struggling. people are more than willing to offer help if you request it.

take the initiative to grow, rather than just lamenting and calling it quits. you can get better at the game. it is not impossible. it is not "too hard to be cleared casually". you've simply experienced a degree of face rollable mechanics (that the development team has clearly recognised was lazy, boring, and made for unengaging gameplay) and are now being asked to put a little more thought into playing.

edit: also, i would advise you don't simply queue into parties to grief them because you're frustrated. that's a ticket to getting yourself reported and suspended.

[Guntank81]

I wanted to wait to see the raid tier before I say anything. There are already post about dungeon and trial difficulty, and now normal raids should be thrown into the discussion too, and I might repeat points already said but I think we should really make a point of this, we (the people not ok with this difficulty) need for the devs to hear it to hopefully make a course correction.

Listen, I get that some dudes are saying normal content is too tough, but let’s be real here brother, introducing slightly more complex mechanics is actually a good thing. It keeps the gameplay fresh and prevents it from turning into a snoozefest. Like, do you really want every fight to be the same old, predictable stuff? No way, dude. By mixing in these tougher mechanics, devs are helping us get better, preparing to attempt and do harder content like EX and Savage down the line. It's all about progression, brother. Plus, it’s way more satisfying when you finally nail those tricky fights. It’s like, you gotta earn that victory. And honestly, the variety keeps things spicy and interesting, catering to all kinds of players. And let’s get one thing straight this content isn’t even that hard. It’s about trial and error. It’s okay to die in a fight and learn the sequences of mechanics. That’s how you improve. It helps you and everyone around you become better players for the tougher content. So yeah, bring on the challenge, brother!

[Mister_Snakebite]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

Hey, can somebody clarify something for me, isn't that reportable? Just dying, refusing raids and refusing to play the game? Did you get through all the tougher fights by just dying and letting somebody carry you through it?
This is not massively difficult content. You're max level. You should know what you're doing by now.

[Avina]

skill issue.