Difficulty of normal content.

[VanillaWafer]

The only issue I have getting TS is the weekly limit, it takes like two months to get a full set of gear that way. And yes, I am afraid of what they gonna do for alliances, but I'm even more afraid for the the Bozja type content that it's coming.

I'm sorry, but you had 4 expansions to figure out that this is what endgame looks like. It always has been that way since ARR.

We're literally a month into Dawntrail now, we're all are kind of figuring things out still. It makes no sense for you to gear yourself up quicker if you're not willing to put in the work for it. I think people will leave a lot sooner if we all got BiS gear faster and have nothing else to work on. I mean, I can assume that you have no interest in any hard content so..

Why even work towards gear progression if you're just gonna get the next gear to replace it as soon as the next big patch drops?

[VanillaWafer]

Sadly many get level 70, 80 or even 90 and dare saying "hey im still new!" like they didnt AT LEAST do the needed duties...

I still believe Jump potions are a mistake.

[Kitkat]

I don't find skip potions so much a mistake as it is the people using them don't take the time to really learn their job when new to the game. Granted, not every job has a simple learning curve, and some really depends on the player themselves (Me personally, BLM is my bane compared to any other job, always mess up on it). When people don't take the time to read and learn how the job flows, then they are going to struggle when it comes to doing harder content where being able to play the job is second nature allowing to focus on what is going on.


People who weren't there just after each expansion release tend to not know that with lower ilvl gear, fights were harder and took paying attention to survive. Pretty much anything ARR-EW now lets you get to the ilvl cap relatively easy so long as you have poetics to spend on the gear you need, and it is a huge damage/damage mit change from the ilvl up to 49/59/69/79/89 to 50/60/70/80/90. Usually about 50-70 ilvl in difference in fact. While yes they do ilvl cap some dungeons to keep artificial difficulty within a certain limit, some of these usually set the bar higher than others so there isn't a 'face roll' effect like we had before they put ilvl restrictions on some of the ARR content (IE rolling in with ilvl 130 for content made with ilvl 50-60 made the content laughably easy, now it is just...easy due to ilvl cap). The problem is, those who weren't there for those varied gear tiers early on are saying content is far to difficult now simply cause...it is their first experience with it.



Not really excusing them, just saying they haven't experienced it before so technically they are still 'new' in that respect regardless of using Skip potions.

[Kuroka]

I still believe Jump potions are a mistake.

They are.

Like i havent played some jobs since.. literally 6.0 hit and yet im still doing... ok? Still better then many of those who skipped through half the game lol

Its not just the leveling, its also doing all the fights, dungeons, even just fates gettin a feeling for the job, timings, how to get things back on track if sh### hits the fan... I always die on the inside when i see tanks and healers just lacking the skill/experience or just awareness to save a situation... like you still encounter lv 90 tanks without LB on their hotbars...

[Banggugyangu]

I'm not sure I really "enjoyed" it so much as I was just glad it was over, and that's how I've felt on subsequent runs trying to collect stuff from them. It's not really "fun" so much as "necessary" because there's no way to get things like the minions otherwise. As for looking forward to the next challenge, that's where the dilemma lies, that I'm not sure I even *could* deal with the next challenges depending on how the game ramps up from here and at some point I'll have to start skipping optional content and relying on Duty Support/Trusts to get me through the mandatory stuff because I would just be a blight in the duty finder otherwise.

This is 100% the wrong attitude to take. If you're so dead-set on remaining bad, then you'll remain bad. No one ever starts at their peak performance in anything whatsoever. You start at a baseline, and everyone's baseline is different, and then you improve from that baseline. You can either work toward improving and relish in the noticeable improvements, or you can remain complacent and complain that things are too difficult. You don't need to make a job out of the game to improve beyond what's necessary to complete this content, also. FFXIV's known as the MMO that respects your time for a reason. The mechanics may differ in difficulty to execute, but they always share one thing: They're easy to learn. The exceptions to this are all in what one would consider high-end content, but that's the point of that content. Savage mechanics are by no means more difficult to execute than normal mechanics. The added difficulty that savage brings is that the mechanics are more obfuscated and complex. You have overlapping mechanics in savage that aren't present in normal. The telegraphs are faster or less in your face, if they're even present. This all makes it a bigger challenge to LEARN, but once you learn them, the actual execution is often times EASIER than the normal mode due to more static patterns. I legitimately have a more difficult time running P2 normal than I do running P2 savage because P2 savage is more heavily scripted than P2 normal is. I'll find myself doing savage strats that just don't work in normal.

Have you ever seen the look on someone's face when they lose 50+ lbs after months of hard work in the gym? They're ecstatic because of the improvement. They see the results of their hard work and it makes all of that work worth the effort. The same can be said about improvement in all facets. Rather than taking the attitude of "I give up!", you'll be doing yourself a great service if you change it to, "How can I do better?"

[EponaTBHSMH]

The only issue I have getting TS is the weekly limit, it takes like two months to get a full set of gear that way. And yes, I am afraid of what they gonna do for alliances, but I'm even more afraid for the the Bozja type content that it's coming.

If you don't wanna put effort in getting better in content like Expert or Normal Raids BUT are still interested in gear progression, just do hunts

Weekly limit is a problem for anyone that doesnt do savage and its a design choice that's been there for years

[VanillaWafer]

People who weren't there just after each expansion release tend to not know that with lower ilvl gear, fights were harder and took paying attention to survive. Pretty much anything ARR-EW now lets you get to the ilvl cap relatively easy so long as you have poetics to spend on the gear you need, and it is a huge damage/damage mit change from the ilvl up to 49/59/69/79/89 to 50/60/70/80/90. Usually about 50-70 ilvl in difference in fact. While yes they do ilvl cap some dungeons to keep artificial difficulty within a certain limit, some of these usually set the bar higher than others so there isn't a 'face roll' effect like we had before they put ilvl restrictions on some of the ARR content (IE rolling in with ilvl 130 for content made with ilvl 50-60 made the content laughably easy, now it is just...easy due to ilvl cap). The problem is, those who weren't there for those varied gear tiers early on are saying content is far to difficult now simply cause...it is their first experience with it.

Putting that into perspective, do you then not think that the closer they get to current content, that difficulty curve is warranted? They should know by the time they hit Dawntrail Normal Raids that:


- They're expected to have some understanding of their job kit.
- They should have their gear updated as possible.
- They're about to answer mechanics they likely haven't seen before.


Normal Mode Raids in general are allowed to be as difficult as reasonably possible, mostly because it's optional content. Even then, it's never impossible to overcome. These people who jump content and get all surprised pikachu face when current optional content asks more of you have no room to complain.

[VanillaWafer]

I don't find skip potions so much a mistake as it is the people using them don't take the time to really learn their job when new to the game. Granted, not every job has a simple learning curve, and some really depends on the player themselves (Me personally, BLM is my bane compared to any other job, always mess up on it). When people don't take the time to read and learn how the job flows, then they are going to struggle when it comes to doing harder content where being able to play the job is second nature allowing to focus on what is going on.

As I stated previously, I don't come into an instance expecting perfection. Thankfully, I have yet to come across a player who just straight up gives up because their job is too hard. But if I point out a fixable flaw (Broken gear, using more of their kit, etc.), 9 times out of 10 I'm receiving defensive backlash and labeled an elitist. All I'd want to do is help, but I'm apparently conforming a playstyle and giving unwanted advice if I call to attention that will benefit them. So lesson learned, I shut my trap more often and pray that I get through the instance at a timely manner. That kind of a flaw is on both dev team and the player. I do wish that there was more mandatory tutorials to prepare new players what on they're getting themselves into.

Alts I'm fine with.

(I realize I posted kinda backwards, but oh well.)

[Banggugyangu]

I want to make something clear that I somewhat alluded to in my previous comment: I don't care where another player's skill level is in something as long as their skill level is accompanied with 2 things: 1: Be upfront about where you are. If you're a casual player that hasn't cleared anything EX or savage and you're making or joining a PF, just accurately portray where you are in that, and 2: Be TRYING to improve. Be open to advice.

If you misrepresent where your skill level or prog point are, you're just going to anger those you're with. If you aren't TRYING to improve, then you're just wasting everyone else's time. If someone offers advice, even if they're rude about it, listen to them. Turning your ears off means you think you're above their advice, and I can assure you, you're not. Even the top ranking player of every job has something they don't know or somewhere that they can improve. Refusing to take someone's advice, regardless of who that person is or how they present it, is nothing but foolishness. Now... that doesn't mean that their advice is necessarily correct... Discern whether their advice is valid or not AFTER hearing it. If it's not, then write it off afterwards.

While I am certainly nowhere near the top of players, and won't try to act like I am, I know that my skill level is substantially higher than the average. Despite that, I'm regularly in a situation where someone who's not even a high end raider teaches me something I didn't know. I welcome those moments, because it helps me improve. Now.... occasionally I get things that are just incorrect... like another DNC complaining that I insist on being their dance partner despite both of us being DNC in a dungeon... Can't tell you how many times I've gotten the "Dance partner doesn't stack!!!"

[Lizvette]

I don't think I have to worry about that, I know to stay in my lane as it were, it's just not knowing how much that lane is going to narrow (or drop off completely) going forward because I have doubts about my competency up until now when comparing my performance to others doing the exact same content with less struggle/better results, and that it was likely *their* actions and not mine that even got me this far.

comparison is the thief of joy - don't worry about others doing better or worse. just do your best, if WoL acted only alone, they'd get wrecked in ARR. they didn't, because they had allies and friends behind them.