Difficulty of normal content.

[alfarini]

Edit: I do want to pose a question to OP and those in favor: Why are you doing normal mode raids? If you're not preparing yourself for Savage, why go through with it in the first place?

I can't remember where I mentioned this tidbit before but. I remember mentioning that if it's for the glamor? you can't even dye it unless you do the savage tier. Nor could it be for ILvL because you won't need it at all, once the tome gear got released and the ally catchup gear is out. So for both main reasons that you would do them there is no point besides just simply doing the fights. Of which OP had given up after the second fight of ACC M2 and has since not stated they have done M3 or M4 at all.

*insert kronk with a map*
"You got me, by all accounts it doesn't make sense"

[VanillaWafer]

I can't remember where I mentioned this tidbit before but. I remember mentioning that if it's for the glamor? you can't even dye it unless you do the savage tier. Nor could it be for ILvL because you won't need it at all, once the tome gear got released and the ally catchup gear is out. So for both main reasons that you would do them there is no point besides just simply doing the fights. Of which OP had given up after the second fight of ACC M2 and has since not stated they have done M3 or M4 at all.

*insert kronk with a map*
"You got me, by all accounts it doesn't make sense"

Besides the extra avenue for tomestones, you do have the minion at M4 and the music rolls that can drop in each tier.

If they also call themselves a collector, these may still entice them to go through with the fights to get them. So, it makes sense to keep grinding those fights, as we do everywhere else in this game.

But you'd have to practice and work at it to eventually get a good roll at them. And that's if you don't just outright buy the rolls in the marketboard.

Yes, the fights were initially tough, because this forum thread was literally made HOURS after the raid patch went live, but the rewards are worth it if you care about 'em.

Otherwise, yeah, there's no reason to go do these optional normal raids for the "casual" player.

[Zakuyia]

Actually i also have to agree. I to expect ppl to be much better at their jobs. Like if I was a citzen in eorzea I asked a veteran to pick me herbs in a lvl 1 area that vet would laugh. Yet if i asked you to slay a lvl 100 dragon and you struggled... I would question your purpose. If you are still struggling at playing the game. You may have finally hit your difficulty wall. Unless you the player are willing to become stronger than goid job but if you choose not too. Im sorry but yes you are holding others back. If you chose to heal be better, if you chose to tank be better, if you chose to dps do better. We are lvl 100 and still struggling at a 10 year + game.... I really wonder how dis you guys get this far or even pass pharos sirus and thunder god cid.

Failure builds character but being easy all the time strokes your ego. Your dull blades that need to be sharpened look up guides to better understand your class or play normal raids to better understand timming in this game..... Your lvl 100 act like it.

[Deslyxic]

I can't remember where I mentioned this tidbit before but. I remember mentioning that if it's for the glamor? you can't even dye it unless you do the savage tier. Nor could it be for ILvL because you won't need it at all, once the tome gear got released and the ally catchup gear is out. So for both main reasons that you would do them there is no point besides just simply doing the fights. Of which OP had given up after the second fight of ACC M2 and has since not stated they have done M3 or M4 at all.

*insert kronk with a map*
"You got me, by all accounts it doesn't make sense"

Because is something to do other than grind roulettes, and to get gear, even if it's going to be replaced by TS gear later. But that doesn't matter now since I'm not doing the tier I don't need the gear right now anyway (particularly not this set that's ugly af).

[alfarini]

Besides the extra avenue for tomestones, you do have the minion at M4 and the music rolls that can drop in each tier.

If they also call themselves a collector, these may still entice them to go through with the fights to get them. So, it makes sense to keep grinding those fights, as we do everywhere else in this game.

But you'd have to practice and work at it to eventually get a good roll at them. And that's if you don't just outright buy the rolls in the marketboard.

Yes, the fights were initially tough, because this forum thread was literally made HOURS after the raid patch went live, but the rewards are worth it if you care about 'em.

Otherwise, yeah, there's no reason to go do these optional normal raids for the "casual" player.

I actually forgot about the minion and music roll lmao, all good points for sure.

[VanillaWafer]

Because is something to do other than grind roulettes, and to get gear, even if it's going to be replaced by TS gear later. But that doesn't matter now since I'm not doing the tier I don't need the gear right now anyway (particularly not this set that's ugly af).

You could have done A-Rank Hunt trains or joined a Treasure Map party if you needed Tomestones that badly. Both of which are relatively easy and doesn't take much brainpower to do.

I get you wanted gear progression, but as you said so yourself, it doesn't matter, anymore. And guess what—It's going to keep happening with each set of raids, as it has been since HW. Maybe consider that Normal Raids weren't for you in the first place, regardless of difficulty.

Like, I'm sorry you felt like you hit a wall, but the option to practice and get better is always on the table for you. If you want to vibe and chill, there are places for that, just not in raids.

Boy, I sure can't wait for the next thread about how Alliance Raids are too hard.

[Deslyxic]

You could have done A-Rank Hunt trains or joined a Treasure Map party if you needed Tomestones that badly. Both of which are relatively easy and doesn't take much brainpower to do.

I get you wanted gear progression, but as you said so yourself, it doesn't matter, anymore. And guess what—It's going to keep happening with each set of raids, as it has been since HW. Maybe consider that Normal Raids weren't for you in the first place, regardless of difficulty.

Like, I'm sorry you felt like you hit a wall, but the option to practice and get better is always on the table for you. If you want to vibe and chill, there are places for that, just not in raids.

Boy, I sure can't wait for the next thread about how Alliance Raids are too hard.

The only issue I have getting TS is the weekly limit, it takes like two months to get a full set of gear that way. And yes, I am afraid of what they gonna do for alliances, but I'm even more afraid for the the Bozja type content that it's coming.

[TrowaParabellum]

The only issue I have getting TS is the weekly limit, it takes like two months to get a full set of gear that way. And yes, I am afraid of what they gonna do for alliances, but I'm even more afraid for the the Bozja type content that it's coming.

Well considering they are being based on FF11, and as someone who has played 11, I promise you if you think this content is too hard. LOL you could barely make it out of the starting area without the help of someone in 11.

[Kuroka]

You need to manage that on your own. No matter when you started, you have jobs at lv 100 now, the training wheels era ended back at lv 50.

Sadly many get level 70, 80 or even 90 and dare saying "hey im still new!" like they didnt AT LEAST do the needed duties...

[alfarini]

The only issue I have getting TS is the weekly limit, it takes like two months to get a full set of gear that way. And yes, I am afraid of what they gonna do for alliances, but I'm even more afraid for the the Bozja type content that it's coming.

well i hope the ally raid is harder than before, i mean its 24 man raids. why shouldn't it be harder as long as its not just massive HP pools of bosses. imo i want players to get doom if they fail a mech 3 times. vulns are fine but it doesn't force players to learn if they know they can soak a mech. as for the explore zone? i guess we'll see, it better be fun and challenging.