Quote Originally Posted by albeva View Post
And who is the arbiter on where the line is? It is quite clear the game has gone a bit too far.

These past few weeks, we have already seen the consequences. I've had several roulettes for dungeons and raids where half the group quit after the first wipe. We used to make fun of this - a problem the other MMOs had... NOT FFXIV. We prided how we soldier on, we wipe and just have another go!
We prided on how we soldier on, wipe and just have another go!

You said it yourself. If people are no longer doing that, then those people are quite literally going against your own description of the community at large. Maybe those people, too, aren't fit for this game and jumped in because Endwalker got a little too pampering, rather than that the game is "going too far" when wiping to mechanics, picking ourselves back up and trying again is literally something you yourself said we do and completely demolishes any credibility to your argument.