Difficulty of normal content.

[Deslyxic]

Let me give a counter example of a fight that does all this but it's still easy, the Big Cheese (last boss of Lunar Subterrane), it does the conveyor belt things which is an exotic telegraph, and it does overlap it with other mechanics. The overlapping mechanics are a) standard orange circles, b) mines, c) half room casted attack. Of those three the most non standard are the mines but even if you haven't seen them before they are still red circles in the ground, easy "don't stand in bad" thing. At the ende of the day, it is an unconventional telegraph overlapped with pretty much conventional mechanics, and more importantly all is resolved at a very leisure pace, you will see the arrows in the conveyors long before it executes it.
Now compare that to the first boss of Alexandria (the morbol looking thing), it does a cone attack that has two variants but they have the same name in the cast bar (Immune Response, I believe), in their own are no problem since you have the visual telegraph. But then it overlaps it with the circles/crosses mech and now you need to watch which cone it is, you need to resolve the current symbol in the ground, you also need to be watching for the next symbols because it goes pretty fast, and also you need to be watching the cast bar to see which thing will resolve first. That's because the version of the cone attack is 50/50 and the combination of O/+ changes too, so sometimes you need to wait for the cones to go out before you can jump into a circle, sometimes is the opposite, it's not something you can rely on muscle memory to do. And more importantly, all this is happening very very fast.

Another thing about non standard telegraph is that it becomes mentally tiresome when they use them in quick succession like the second boss of Tender Valley, that by all right should be piss easy but because you need to be almost all the time be looking for the dunking bomb to see which lane will trigger on top of having to mentally visualize the approximate area of the others explosions, all this happening multiple times in quick succession. It gets pretty draining.
And then there are fights that I think are genuinely badly telegraphed like Valigarmarda that has two attack that hit more than 50% of the arena and are only telegraphed by the boss changing posture, then again, on it's own should be easy once you see them once but when it start to do them overlapped with other stuff, to the point it becomes hard to notice the thing even moved. I play with other players effects on low and it's still hard to notice.

[Deslyxic]

It's a issue of the speed at which stuff happens. I'm sure sure that many people would respond with "that's not an issue" or "it's not that bad" or "I don't find it that hard", but it's very difficult to convey to a person that does something easily that you find it hard, it's like explaining color to a blind person.
Also that's the reason I didn't accepted any of the help offered, because for the most part this isn't something that you can get helped with (other than just getting carried). I know the mechanics and know what needs to be done, but knowing the thing and doing the thing are two different thingses. And repetition might help a little but there is a limit to what one can do and I'm pretty close to that limit.

Here's the kicker, to the chagrin of many people here I'm not an actually a bad player, someone pointed me to logs on my character (my main one, not this one on my profile) which for whatever reason has a bunch of logs uploaded from EW normal raids, and I was ranked in the top 60-65 percentile, depending of the fight. I am above average when it comes to DPS in normal raids. So you might call it skill issue all day long, I'm not saying it's not, but when you do consider that more than half the player base could be having an even bigger skill issue than mine.

(that's all of it, feel free to go to town with the responses)

[bunnymansv]

Players can help themselves by actually playing and learning the mechanics.

I have died several times on these new dungeons and over time I have gotten better and haven't been K.O.ed Failure is not a bad thing. Get up and try again.

[LunaCelestiaXIV]

Here's the kicker, to the chagrin of many people here I'm not an actually a bad player, someone pointed me to logs on my character (my main one, not this one on my profile) which for whatever reason has a bunch of logs uploaded from EW normal raids, and I was in the top 70-90 percentile, depending of the fight. I am above average when it comes to DPS in normal raids. So you might call it skill issue all day long, I'm not saying it's not, but when you do consider that more than half the player base could be having an even bigger skill issue than mine.

Not only that you parse better than those people below your DPS logs in... checks notes... NORMAL Raids ...(which is not even an indication of skill) but you also parse higher in the whining category! Probably 90th percentile too lmao.

[Coldisthevoid]

Here's the kicker, to the chagrin of many people here I'm not an actually a bad player, someone pointed me to logs on my character (my main one, not this one on my profile) which for whatever reason has a bunch of logs uploaded from EW normal raids, and I was in the top 70-90 percentile, depending of the fight. I am above average when it comes to DPS in normal raids. So you might call it skill issue all day long, I'm not saying it's not, but when you do consider that more than half the player base could be having an even bigger skill issue than mine.

(that's all of it, feel free to go to town with the responses)

I don't think a single person below a 97 has really tried in norms you just kind of do your rotation and get oranges in normal / ally raids . I don't get why you're A. bragging about normal logs and B. not saying who your main is

*edit* just checked my uptime on an normal 88 it was 92% that's kind of terrible but its still high purple

[Banggugyangu]

Here's the kicker, to the chagrin of many people here I'm not an actually a bad player, someone pointed me to logs on my character (my main one, not this one on my profile) which for whatever reason has a bunch of logs uploaded from EW normal raids, and I was in the top 70-90 percentile, depending of the fight. I am above average when it comes to DPS in normal raids. So you might call it skill issue all day long, I'm not saying it's not, but when you do consider that more than half the player base could be having an even bigger skill issue than mine.

Here's the kicker.... without giving said character's name and server, this statement is just a "My dad works at Nintendo" moment...

[bunnymansv]

definately a comprehension problem. I don't say that to be mean but if you watch and pay attention you can dodge all those attacks. How do I know? I have done it.

[EponaTBHSMH]

Now compare that to the first boss of Alexandria (the morbol looking thing), it does a cone attack that has two variants but they have the same name in the cast bar (Immune Response, I believe), in their own are no problem since you have the visual telegraph. But then it overlaps it with the circles/crosses mech and now you need to watch which cone it is, you need to resolve the current symbol in the ground, you also need to be watching for the next symbols because it goes pretty fast, and also you need to be watching the cast bar to see which thing will resolve first. That's because the version of the cone attack is 50/50 and the combination of O/+ changes too, so sometimes you need to wait for the cones to go out before you can jump into a circle, sometimes is the opposite, it's not something you can rely on muscle memory to do. And more importantly, all this is happening very very fast.

This speed argument still doesn't make sense for the first boss of Alexandria no matter how many times you describe it.

The VERY moment you see the first O or + appear on the screen is when you move to pre position, because after 2 or 3 times it happens, you know there is going to be a cone or an anti-cone AoE

After you are already in that pre position, some seconds pass while the other O and + appear in the arena.

And only after that sequence you finally see a cone or an anti-cone AoE, that happens not to be orange, but from that point you only gotta inch a little north or a little south to be in the correct position to not be hit by either, and its only at that moment that TWO mechanics overlap.

You already see what the other mechanics are after this because you can see the other O and +

There is even a video of someone doing it while RP walking somewhere in this thread so how is this still a matter of speed, and not you just not anticipating the mechanic properly? cuz maybe that's what you have an issue with and not reaction

[Mooserocka33]

[QUOTE=Deslyxic;6557787]Let me give a counter example of a fight that does all this but it's still easy, the Big Cheese (last boss of Lunar Subterrane), it does the conveyor belt things which is an exotic telegraph, and it does overlap it with other mechanics. The overlapping mechanics are a) standard orange circles, b) mines, c) half room casted attack. Of those three the most non standard are the mines but even if you haven't seen them before they are still red circles in the ground, easy "don't stand in bad" thing. At the ende of the day, it is an unconventional telegraph overlapped with pretty much conventional mechanics, and more importantly all is resolved at a very leisure pace, you will see the arrows in the conveyors long before it executes it.
Now compare that to the first boss of Alexandria (the morbol looking thing), it does a cone attack that has two variants but they have the same name in the cast bar (Immune Response, I believe), in their own are no problem since you have the visual telegraph. But then it overlaps it with the circles/crosses mech and now you need to watch which cone it is, you need to resolve the current symbol in the ground, you also need to be watching for the next symbols because it goes pretty fast, and also you need to be watching the cast bar to see which thing will resolve first. That's because the version of the cone attack is 50/50 and the combination of O/+ changes too, so sometimes you need to wait for the cones to go out before you can jump into a circle, sometimes is the opposite, it's not something you can rely on muscle memory to do. And more importantly, all this is happening very very fast.


The first boss in alexandria is the easiest boss of the tier it only has 2 moves, it has the glowy things that light up just preposition yourself next to it if its a circle go in, if its a plus avoid? Dont even worry about the cone breath things just get hit by them if you have to they wont kill you.The other will prioritise, there is only 5 of these also. Does it come out fast yes but if you are right next to it just go in sprint if you have too. I feel you keep giving excuse after excuse and arguing with people just to keep this post going, now that everyone has more gear should be no problems anymore.