Difficulty of normal content.

[jdtuggey]

Careful not to judge the entire community based of a few vocal people, these forums themselves are already just a subset of the community, and within that subset there's a bunch that don't know anything about empathy

She's right though, the community is nowhere near as "friendly and welcoming" as we pretend, and that is coming from a 10 years veteran on the game. I've had some of the nastiest drama ever on ffxiv.
The community is certainly a community. It's the same people as in other communities, the same kind of behavior, everytime there's a few people that are mindblown at how "mean" people are, but that's just how it goes in communities like this.
(insert steam forums PTSD story here, like being told I'm endangering RL lives for an opinion on DRM)
Better be upfront with her ? Also, there's always virtuous knights coming in telling people how nasty they are too, which inflames everything, and then they victimize themselves when they started it. :P
Square is just really tight on rules concerning language and confrontation, so people find other more subtle ways to air their grievances.

Concerning empathy, there isn't any in OP's statement, so that kinda invites the same kind of behavior.
I've tried to remain mature through it, some have less control. I wouldn't say this lady's post is in any way reasonable or empathetic to my perspective, for example. :P
Like, she's saying a significant portion of people are telling people to GTFO, this ain't reality at all, there's a few for sure, and I'm against that. :P
But there's also a legit argument like "if the game isn't for you anymore, maybe it's worth considering looking for things that are, for your sake and mine" ?
I feel this is as empathetic with everyone's perspective as it gets, but I don't feel Aido would perceive it like that. :P

[Banggugyangu]

She's right though, the community is nowhere near as "friendly and welcoming" as we pretend, and that is coming from a 10 years veteran on the game. I've had some of the nastiest drama ever on ffxiv.
The community is certainly a community. It's the same people as in other communities, the same kind of behavior, everytime there's a few people that are mindblown at how "mean" people are, but that's just how it goes in communities like this.
(insert steam forums PTSD story here, like being told I'm endangering RL lives for an opinion on DRM)
Better be upfront with her ? Also, there's always virtuous knights coming in telling people how nasty they are too, which inflames everything, and then they victimize themselves when they started it. :P
Square is just really tight on rules concerning language and confrontation, so people find other more subtle ways to air their grievances.

Concerning empathy, there isn't any in OP's statement, so that kinda invites the same kind of behavior.
I've tried to remain mature through it, some have less control. I wouldn't say this lady's post is in any way reasonable or empathetic to my perspective, for example. :P
Like, she's saying a significant portion of people are telling people to GTFO, this ain't reality at all, there's a few for sure, and I'm against that. :P
But there's also a legit argument like "if the game isn't for you anymore, maybe it's worth considering looking for things that are, for your sake and mine" ?
I feel this is as empathetic with everyone's perspective as it gets, but I don't feel Aido would perceive it like that. :P

I would argue that the biggest issue the FFXIV community has is toxic friendliness. A situation where the community goes so far toward "acceptance" that if you have a differing opinion, then you're called toxic for disagreeing with them. It's also disingenuous to claim that the community is "friendly and welcoming" to act as if there's no drama or issue with it. The key take-away is that it's FAR MORE friendly and accepting that practically any other MMO. Having played nearly all of them, the other communities are what I would call "horrific" most of the time.

[EponaTBHSMH]

Concerning empathy, there isn't any in OP's statement, so that kinda invites the same kind of behavior.
I've tried to remain mature through it, some have less control. I wouldn't say this lady's post is in any way reasonable or empathetic to my perspective, for example. :P
Like, she's saying a significant portion of people are telling people to GTFO, this ain't reality at all, there's a few for sure, and I'm against that. :P
But there's also a legit argument like "if the game isn't for you anymore, maybe it's worth considering looking for things that are, for your sake and mine" ?
I feel this is as empathetic with everyone's perspective as it gets, but I don't feel Aido would perceive it like that. :P

I absolutely agree with OP's statement and their various posts in this thread lacking any empathy

Which is why I do believe that this thread has already run its course because it's been a mix of people trying their best to genuinely help the OP with advice and "git gud" crowd brought by content creator farming this for their "content is not actually hard" videos, which was then met with complete dismissal by OP so now only the "git gud" crowd is left now

[jdtuggey]

The key take-away is that it's FAR MORE friendly and accepting that practically any other MMO. Having played nearly all of them, the other communities are what I would call "horrific" most of the time.

Possibly, I'll admit that I've had experiences on ffxiv that are way more horrifying than a lot of other drama I went through elsewhere,
so much that I suspect I've just been unlucky the times I've involved myself in the community and lucky (luckier?) with other communities ?
The way I perceive it is that toxicity in other communities is upfront and direct, bad people just advertise themselves to you, you're free to block em, rofl.
It's more underhanded and subtle on ffxiv, and it grows and grows without you noticing until it blows up spectacularly.
Comes from people you might consider friends too, so there's more considerations into blocking them.
I acknowledge that this may only be my own experience of it, I've chosen not to engage really in-game anymore.
I'm still a mentor and I care about getting sprouts in and chipping in to help and to meme a bit on NN. ;P

Which is why I do believe that this thread has already run its course

It sure has. It's a bad look for everyone. I feel like everyone should take a deep breath and give this exp a couple more weeks. ♥

[Banggugyangu]

I absolutely agree with OP's statement and their various posts in this thread lacking any empathy

Which is why I do believe that this thread has already run its course because it's been a mix of people trying their best to genuinely help the OP with advice and "git gud" crowd brought by content creator farming this for their "content is not actually hard" videos, which was then met with complete dismissal by OP so now only the "git gud" crowd is left now

You can't empathize with a situation that you do not share. I don't empathize with the OP and I won't attempt to claim I do. I DO, however, sympathize with the OP. That said, there have been a plethora of sympathetic responses offering advice on how to learn and enjoy the content at its current difficulty. These aren't derogatory "git gud" responses, but legitimate advice. The fact of the matter is this: The dev team, INCLUDING Yoshi-P, have stated that this was an intentional change and the direction they want to take the game. The majority of the player base actually enjoys this new difficulty. If you cannot enjoy the direction that the game is going, you have three options: continue to vocalize your displeasure in hopes that the game is changed, which in turn is a negative change for that majority that enjoys the difficulty, learn how to adapt so that this difficulty is no longer unenjoyable, or move on to a game that you can enjoy. The OP's post was taking the first approach, which is steeping in selfishness. In short, the whole thread is filled with people who want their own selfish desires to reign supreme, however a large group of one side has attempted to provide a means to common ground.