Difficulty of normal content.

[alfarini]

It's fun the first time and then it isn't on the second. It's like Alliance Raids (especially SB/SHB) - they are epic the first time and then, when you get them in Alliance Roulette, you know you are in for 45 minutes of pain and suffering

Then don't queue into them *BIG SMILY FACE*

[TDawnstar]

Then don't queue into them *BIG SMILY FACE*

But Nier glams are so pretty

[jdtuggey]

Then don't queue into them *BIG SMILY FACE*

But Nier glams are so pretty

When you don't want to play the game, you just want to look gucci in limsa with 0 effort. ;o

[Jinglypockets]

When you don't want to play the game, you just want to look gucci in limsa with 0 effort. ;o

There are two types of MMO players:

People who think the gameplay is fun and the rewards are an incentive to do the things they wanted to do anyway.
People who think getting rewards is fun and the gameplay is the cost of getting them.

This isn't a value judgment; I'm personally in group 1, but I know plenty of bad players in group 1 and plenty of great players in group 2, and I have decades-long friendships with people on both sides of this divide.

Still, it has a huge impact on which content you enjoy and why you enjoy it.

[jdtuggey]

This isn't a value judgment

I have nothing against any of these groups myself, to be clear, it's when the expectations/needs intersect in a bad way like this whole thread, basically, that it gets a little more tense.
I agree with everything you've said there.

[Jinglypockets]

I have nothing against any of these groups myself, to be clear, it's when the expectations/needs intersect in a bad way like this whole thread, basically, that it gets a little more tense.
I agree with everything you've said there.

I also can't imagine any of my friends who are in the "Rewards are the fun part" group making a thread like this.

They don't dislike challenge -- they wouldn't be playing these games if it weren't there -- it's just not what gets up them up in the morning.

Hell, my raid leader in my CE WoW guild is in that second group.

[Jaxtaro]

There are two types of MMO players:

People who think the gameplay is fun and the rewards are an incentive to do the things they wanted to do anyway.
People who think getting rewards is fun and the gameplay is the cost of getting them.

This isn't a value judgment; I'm personally in group 1, but I know plenty of bad players in group 1 and plenty of great players in group 2, and I have decades-long friendships with people on both sides of this divide.

Still, it has a huge impact on which content you enjoy and why you enjoy it.

I mean, these are definitely two prominent categories, but there are a lot more than these two categories. It's the reason behind the mass appeal of MMO's.