Difficulty of normal content.

[FlorineC]

Actually kudos to MrHappy because he doesn't show the names in the posts neither link the forum. Arthars on the other hand went to look for logs from my character which surprise, I don't have (actually I am surprised there were a couple of logs, someone else must have uploaded them), but I am complaining about the difficulty of normal raids, why did he thought he was gonna find any log? He's either a) an idiot or b) knowing perfectly well he wasn't going to find any and did it to drag me though the mud, because of course your opinion only matter if you rainbow parse, or whatever.
And they weren't rude? Arthars call me "entitled casual" in the thumbnail, Xeno calls me "filthy casual" and mocks my post. They were agitating people against me, even if accidentally.

I mean you're a casual player and you're acting entitled, that's not being rude, that's just stating a fact. I watched Xeno's video twice to double check, he never calls you a "filthy casual" as far as I can tell, and goes as far as to say he knows you're doing your best and he is trying to keep an open mind and be helpful and not mean. If there's a spot where he called you that in the vid that I missed, I apologize for the mistake, but as I said I watched twice to check and searched the transcript. I know your persecution complex wants to believe that the big bad streamers were toxic and sicced their communities on you, but I think the reality is just that the vast majority of the player base disagrees with your opinion and decided to voice it, and you're in denial about that. I think this is also why you're reading into Arthars' motives for looking for your logs the way you are. I think a perfectly reasonable explanation for doing that is to get a sense of where your skill level as a player is and what content you've attempted/cleared, in order to give context to your opinion. You say why did he think he would find any log unless he's an idiot, and in the same post acknowledge that you do have logs and in this thread have said you have done some EX/Savage content. Like how can you say they should've known/assumed you never did anything harder than normal mode when you factually have done things harder than normal mode?

[elshogoso]

Most of the times when I see someone complain that mechanics are resolving too quickly, they just missed cues that have been on the arena for like 10 seconds, so yeah, the whole point is not getting tunnel vision and using that camera to stay aware of the arena and keeping an eye on boss cast bars, not just waiting for a telegraph to appear on the ground. This isn't anything hardcore.

I personally find it refreshing that the casual content in the game, while remaining casual, is not shying away so much from presenting some obstacles to the player. That content is designed to lose, but that doesn't mean it's not gonna make you work a little bit to earn that victory. Don't worry, as soon as patches drop and you get overgeared it's gonna go back to being trivially easy.

[MakariaZofura]

I'm just replying to this post so i don't have to dig back through these pages.

I looked at your logs, and as far as i can tell you aren't either as bad or as casual as you represent here. You do solid damage and you don't die often, so what's the issue?

I guess i have two guesses:
a) you just want a more chill experince. Challenge causes you anxiety which makes you uncomfortable. If this is true, not only are there many, many games out there, but there is also tons of content that delivers this experince. Even in the case you're a solo player you can turn down difficulty in solo duties now and trusts will patiently let you learn instances with almost no pressure. What i see is you actually aren't that bad at the game, so I'd be shocked if you had real difficulty in MSQ dungeons.
b) you've taken a posistion to argue it and you just like to argue. In this case, I'm a lawyer, i get it, it IS fun. Have you considered law school? besides the crippling debt and abusive work conditions, it might be a good fit for you.

What i haven't liked is that you seem so firm on your posistion despite good counterargumetns or ameliorating suggestions. I don't think you have to change your posistion here, but lots of people have made some good points, they should be aknowledged.

Ultimately the resentment i think is simple. When you play with other players, you obliged to try. Simply put, it's like having a group project and neglecting your part. We don't even expect people to be GOOD, i think the community just expects some EFFORT.

Anyways, I think the thread has run its course. If anything, people are just hurting themselves by yelling into the void.

Oh well, best to everyone, let's go get back to doing whatever we were doing <3

[VioletCatastrophe]

I dont know why you feel the need to try to dunk, but I clearly said in the post I wanted to try savage for the first time before the expansion dropped, and seeing these new raids I have changed my mind about it. So I dont see the point of your comment at all. Also, I never said anywhere that I didnt enjoy it, nor did I say it was too hard. So please sit down.

Also I was doing the raids through partyfinder, so I cant control the groups I got, but yes people were fighting in the 4th raid.

I didnt say anything but my opinion on annoying instances and I also said I am a relatively new player, so the need to be a dick as if I took a side on some debate is wild. Like I literally said it probably just takes practice and time for people to get it better at them.

I checked your original post, and honestly, you should just find a casual raid group and do savage if you want to do it. The best way to improve is by pushing yourself, and if you know what you are in for (a lot of wiping in a group where you can hopefully have fun chatting and hanging out while you wipe and get better each time) then you absolutely 100% should just do it. Doing savage has made extremes, and normal content feel like a breeze to me. Doing ultimates made me feel so much more comfortable in savage after adjusting to the faster pace of ultimates. Doing extremes and savage is the path to being a better player, so long as you keep an open mind and have a growth mentality.

I would avoid feeling discouraged. I honestly think a lot of the time normal mode raids feel a LOT more chaotic and confusing than their savage versions, because savage is a lot tighter and you know what to expect, whereas normal modes have a tendency to very quickly fall apart. I've been tripped up in normal modes all the time because I was too used to the savage version lol.

In any case, don't really pay attention to anyone being dismissive of you. The only people worth being dismissive of in these threads are the ones complaining about difficulty while refusing to actually even consider learning and improving as a player. I hope you give savage a shot and have a lot of fun! PF can be a rough place so finding a group of similarly experienced/minded players on somewhere like the balance discord server is likely the ideal way to start. There should be lots of groups recruiting right now, and it's the perfect time to jump in.

[Slab_Rockjaw]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

To be fair, if the casual content is too hard for you, and if you are like the other poster who wrote about having an anxiety attack everytime they queue a dungeon then you honestly should either find a new hobby or at least new game. Don't play something you aren't having fun with. There's a sea of games easier and more tuned to a hyper casual audience. Hell throne and liberty plays itself, consider that.

In the case of the other person, they are literally damaging their IRL health by playing the game if what they said is true, and that's not good. I mean this in the most sincere and kindest way possible written from concern: If queuing a dungeon without NPCs gives you a panic attack STOP PLAYING. You are shaving years off your life.

[caffe_macchiato]

You are by far the most toxic person I've seen in this thread at this point.

Stating my opinion is not "violent". Telling someone to quit playing the game and uninstall is a violation of the TOS. You are only lashing out because you feel threatened that the developers will take away "your" content if OP is allowed to comment. Final Fantasy XIV is a video game. If the game ends up not being for you, then don't play. There are people who have gotten far too aggressive on both sides, mainly yours, because they don't want to lose "their" game.

Also, Dawntrail is the worst-reviewed FFXIV expansion on every aggregate site, for critics and for community, and is even lower than Dragonflight, FFXIV's main competitor. That's not my opinion, that's just a fact.

[LilithKha]

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that I "haven't figured it out" from that I said, you must just be looking to be toxic on the forums. I have learned everything, am looking of nothing from the community and I am able to pay this game at what most would consider a high level. Being said, that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the way enemy encounters are designed and how core mechanics works, especially when I see room where massive improvements be made. If you enjoy the way everything is currently and wouldn't change one thing, then I'm happy for you. Personally, I'm happy when people share opinions that counter my own, it allows a community to understand a larger picture and most of the time drive successful and fruitful changes. Maybe you just like picking on people who share a different opinion than your own, might want to look into that pal. Cheers!

You know what, rereading your post, you are correct. You have largely "figured it out", it's just that the core design of the combat content - puzzle encounters and dance fights - do not appeal to you. I do not know why you haven't accepted that and moved on. I stand by everything else I said.

[YvaiaAshaar]

I firmly believe that content meant to be done via the duty finder (where you don't choose who you playing with) shouldn't be this level of punishing. And I know that JP people do savage in the duty finder but we don't do that in NA or EU, for better or worse western players doesn't behave like JP players.

Finally I think that people that thrive with difficulty (the ones that demand harder content) already have extremes, savages, ultimate, criterion dungeons, and more (Yoshi-p is even touting of savage alliances), this people is eating really, really good. Do they need to take normal content too? Can casual players have something easy-ish to play? Please?

Not to sound mean but as an EU player since HW I don't appreciate being thrown into a pot with you. Wdym "we dont do this here"? Why do you feel the need to throw every NA and EU player together like we all see it the same way? xD
I for once really enjoyed the new content.
I loved everything about the expac besides the story (but thats not here nor there). Dungeons got better, solo duties got better and holy shit the raid was the best thing ever so far (tho I have to agree I also really hate M2 lol).

Oh and I say that as a complete casual. I don't raid, I don't to any savage and EX fights only after a year with experienced players lol.
I am as casual as they come, and I loved the fighting aspect of the new expansion.

Everyone can have their opinion be it good or bad but don't talk like every NA and EU Player agrees with you.
You don't talk for me.

[Deslyxic]

I'm just replying to this post so i don't have to dig back through these pages.

I looked at your logs, and as far as i can tell you aren't either as bad or as casual as you represent here. You do solid damage and you don't die often, so what's the issue?

I guess i have two guesses:
a) you just want a more chill experince. Challenge causes you anxiety which makes you uncomfortable. If this is true, not only are there many, many games out there, but there is also tons of content that delivers this experince. Even in the case you're a solo player you can turn down difficulty in solo duties now and trusts will patiently let you learn instances with almost no pressure. What i see is you actually aren't that bad at the game, so I'd be shocked if you had real difficulty in MSQ dungeons.
b) you've taken a posistion to argue it and you just like to argue. In this case, I'm a lawyer, i get it, it IS fun. Have you considered law school? besides the crippling debt and abusive work conditions, it might be a good fit for you.

What i haven't liked is that you seem so firm on your posistion despite good counterargumetns or ameliorating suggestions. I don't think you have to change your posistion here, but lots of people have made some good points, they should be aknowledged.

Ultimately the resentment i think is simple. When you play with other players, you obliged to try. Simply put, it's like having a group project and neglecting your part. We don't even expect people to be GOOD, i think the community just expects some EFFORT.

Anyways, I think the thread has run its course. If anything, people are just hurting themselves by yelling into the void.

Oh well, best to everyone, let's go get back to doing whatever we were doing <3

Are you talking to me? It's so very confusing who's talking to who without quoting right now.
First, what logs? I saw in Arthars video I had a couple from like Byakko ex I believe but I don't upload.
Second, it's definitely A, I didn't came to argue and if I've been so dismissive it's because I kinda knew the kind of responses I was going to get. Even then, multiple times I started writing novel-size posts of retorts that ended deleting because what's even the point? nobody is gonna read even half of them and whatever they read they gonna interpret the way they want, like all my other posts.
The only reason I've been active this last couple of pages is because, TBH, the discussion about mechanics was kinda funny.
I do want to chill, before I could do it but now I can't anymore. I stopped doing extremes because it was too much hassle. And yeah, if I don't enjoy the game anymore I will stop playing, but I'd rather not reach that point.

[FlorineC]

nobody is gonna read even half of them and whatever they read they gonna interpret the way they want

After seeing your response to streamer's videos about this thread, and also just literally everyone trying to actually engage with you, I gotta say this is the biggest case of projecting that I've ever seen lmao. This thread is full of people trying to engage in discussion with you in good faith, myself included, you've just been ignoring them.