Difficulty of normal content.

[Maalik]

I think the difficulty of some of the solo instances were the most annoying. Even on very easy mode it still took me several tries to clear. I think that hinders players more, who cant progress on MSQ due to a stupid solo-instance they cant clear or have anyone help them with. I felt this way about some solo instances in previous expansions too, though.

As for the raids, the 4th raid is the only one my group kept consistently wiping on. I think if some of the damage was tuned down a tiny bit it would help a lot, because it was not fun when our group started fighting each other over DPS not being able to stay alive. Could have just been our group, I guess. I feel with some more time it should only become more doable as people get more experience trying to clear them. Regardless, it is optional content and the community as a whole seems to want more of a challenge. I am too new as a player, joining last year, to say if its actually too hard.

I was hoping to try out savage for the first time with these raids, but I don't think I will be able to try out savage now just because of how difficult it already was for me.

[Railynx]

What are you referring to by "this level of difficulty"
You need to understand that in order to have reached this content, you have had to play through hundreds of hours of content that will teach you how to handle these mechanics.

The current normal raid difficult is LITERALLY the bare minimum for difficultly. And what I mean when I say it's the bare minimum is not "this is as easy as it can possibly be" but rather, this content is at the lowest possible difficultly it can be without players literally not needing to interact with the game to clear it.

What you want is to not have to play the game at all, and that will literally contribute to killing the game. I desperately hope devs don't take feedback like this to heart, because it will just further push away the actual casual playerbase and only appeal to people who don't actually enjoy the game to begin with.

[SirShady]

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

Or maybe the majority of the general playerbase is happy that the normal content is more interesting and engaging. When you say "just for them" and "the only people who are buying Dawntrail" you're actually just talking about most of the playerbase.

Yes, the majority of Final Fantasy players wanted this change and are happy for it. That doesn't make them toxic elitists either. I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but if you could stop being a delusional doomsayer for a second and treat people with an ounce of sympathy you might see why you sound a little silly.

[ForteNightshade]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

I hate to break it to you but the people in your position who find the normal modes and DT dungeons so much of an upswing over prior expansions they'd rather quit over it are a distinct minority. None of Dawntrail's content is some massive jump in difficulty. It's simply asking for the bare minimum, i.e, you pay attention to the mechanic. In other words, Dawntrail stopped handing out participation ribbons because you had a pulse.

If these raids are too challenging for you, that's perfectly fine. Wait until you have better gear which will allow you to brute force through regardless of how many deaths occur. If you're not willing to wait then maybe finding another game is the best option for you. What you're asking for ruins several other people's experience. The Twelve raid series is a perfect example of that. I used to love 24 man raids but I found all three so mind numbingly boring I stopped queuing for them unless asked by friends. Even then, I stopped after a while because they just weren't fun. None of the bosses do anything. They all are little more than striking dummies with pretty animations.

[Deslyxic]

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

Yeah, that sucks. I've haven't been approach in game as of yet. But even after being lambasted by posters, ridiculed by 3 mayor content creators and some smaller too, raided by 4chan and reddit, I am still here and I still believe that my opinions are fair and sensible. I stand by everything I wrote.

[EddyXIV]

Just so we are perfectly what I am asking for is to return to the same difficulty level of SB, ShB and EW when it comes to normal dungeons, trials and raids.
And to all the people giving me tips on how to play, thank very much but I've been playing for 6 years, might not be a 1.0 players but I know how to play the game, and I stand by what I wrote in the OP, there is a clear jump on difficulty in normal content compared to the last 3 expansions and if you don't notice it congratulations on being a big d!ck player, I guess.

I was originally genuinely sympathizing with your case (while unable to empathize, since I personally find normal content to be a walk in the park). The reason I sympathize is because more is always better. So wanting to have more "easy" content that suits your current skill level is an understandable stance. And I would support it.

However, your entire argument and all of my sympathy went out of the window when I read this particular reply to your own post. Sorry to break to you, but you are indeed not good at this game. Not saying that to be mean. That is simply an undeniable fact, given you cannot handle the "difficulty" of this normal raid. And that is okay. It is okay to be bad at a video game, no matter how many years you've played it. It is okay to want more content that suits you, despite how "bad" at the game you might be. What is not okay is thinking you are actually good at the game just because you've played it for years, refusing to accept any opinion that would point otherwise, as well as any tips on how to improve. And then demanding that optional content gets trivialized to boring degrees for the majority of the player base, just so that you can continue in your belief that you are "good" at the game.

Years played is not a measure for how skilled you are or how much room for improvement you have. Players willing to accept help and tips for improvement are the ones who will get better and continue doing so, even if they started years after you did. Players who clear Savage/Ultimate literally before losing their sprout status aren't born with extra limbs or advanced mental capacity. They are simply more open to absorbing help and guidance from their fellow players.

If you do something with the wrong method for 6 whole years, you are not getting any better. You are effectively reinforcing what makes you bad. So, please reconsider your stance and be less dismissive of tips, if you would like to truly improve and experience more of what this game has to offer. And if you are unwilling to learn how to play in any shape or capacity, then please refrain from complaining about the game itself not being dumbed down to a level where you have nothing to even attempt to learn.

[waiting_in_pf]

If no ones already asked, why does not being ''good'' at this games normal content affect you? Does failing in other games give you the same kind of grief? Is it more a matter of feeling like you're letting others down? Does it make you feel less intelligent when you cant figure something out right away?
Before looking at outside reasons why you aren't happy, ask questions about yourself and why you feel the way you do. I say because I used to be that way when I was new. I mainly play healer, and I was so nervous about playing with others I would solo unsync dungeons and even the early trials, dying until echo was strong enough to carry me through it. But after experiencing some pretty bad dungeons with tanks that never used tank stance, didn't AoE at all or even had no tank period cause they left at the start and we never got a replacement and we still beat the dungeon, i realized ''I guess I can actually do this'' And as more time went on and ive played with all kinds of players, ive learned to find peace with the things im not good at and just be happy about the things i am. And the only people who would ACTUALLY be upset about messing up in normal content are the people who spend most of their time in tales of the duty finder.
Theres also no shame in asking for help if something isnt clicking. Our brains all work differently and there have been simple mechanics that I just blanked on for ages (cough sharp turn) Like when I wiped us on sunken temple 3 times cause I didn't understand doom, and I finally asked my more than patient party ''whats going on?''
All the people who have been saying ''its okay to fail'' are absolutely correct, you're going to fail at a billion more things in life in and out of videogames. The difference is, in games we get to try again and again without consequence.
I personally don't think DT is too hard, heck the stormblood dungeons have harder wall to wall mob pulls than DT, especially since we have so fewer abilities. The one thing I would agree on is when someone said 8 seconds of stun in that 1st expert dungeon boss is too long when getting hit by the dolls.

[Simcho]

Bait used to be believable.

[S0N0FPH0EN1X]

I will say this the normal raids are just fine People just need to be okay with dying to mechs and being able to learn the mechs and learn how to get past that mech and as someone who has played ex 2 and one ew ex I will say this wipping to an certain mech could be an good thing and Normal raids has always been the content between the casuals and the extremes! Hint as to why its Optional to do that type of content and not everything in the game needs to be quote soloable some content you will need people to compelete certain content with I enjoyed the normal raids and can't wait for the next set of normal raids and etc!!

[BunnyBois]

Turn your monitor on.