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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrigan View Post
    The problem is that he could have made a video, without pointing the finger at a particular thread. He masked the OP's name (for legal reasons more than anything else, I imagine?); nonetheless, it can be found in two seconds. Linked to the player's virtual identity. And from then on, causing problems / raids.
    Okay, look, full disclosure: I didn't watch the video and I didn't come here because of it. I came here because reddit suggested this would be a good place to provide positive feedback towards DT where the devs are watching. I love the DT content so I did so. My comment was not directed at this video but a general statement: directing people here to counter a, imo, harmful sentiment that the game should return to 15 second cast bars for single mechanics and zero-thought content. If they did, in fact, tell people to come here and call the OP a maidenless n00b or whatever that's obviously wrong. I yield that point if it's the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizore11 View Post
    There have been more than enough people answering the OP why his take is not good. Did u read his responses tho? He literally doesnt care at all. He thinks hes representing the "casual" players, which he doesnt. Hes part of a minority accusing people of forcing what they pref on people like him while literally doing the same. Also since Arthars made a video bout this he acts like a child. ... He never wanted to discuss with people not sharing his view, which he clearly stated already...
    It does sound, from the recent comments as highlighted here, that in fact it's the opposite. OP is being unreasonable and the youtuber simply pointed it out. There's nothing wrong with pointing at a public post on a public forum where someone is being unreasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slab_Rockjaw View Post
    It does sound, from the recent comments, that in fact it's the opposite. OP is being unreasonable and the youtuber simply pointed it out. There's nothing wrong with pointing at a public post on a public forum where someone is being unreasonable.
    Where did i say that its wrong to point it out? I literally said OP is acting like a child since Arthars reacted to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizore11 View Post
    Where did i say that its wrong to point it out? I literally said OP is acting like a child since Arthars reacted to it.
    I was not replying directly to you, but using your post as an example of the fact that the OP was being unreasonable and that pointing people here to counter his nonsense was not a bad move.
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    I... Don't care if you in particular didn't come here after you've watch the video ? It's still a professional failure for this youtuber.

    As said before : I agree with you. I like DT content. But that's not what I'm talking about, and it doesn't mean I have to be ok with a youtuber being (once again) irresponsible..
    Explain how pointing to a public post in a public forum is irresponsible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slab_Rockjaw View Post
    Explain how pointing to a public post in a public forum is irresponsible?
    The fact that it's public in no way excuses the risk involved. If I'm a teacher and I have an adult audience (because I know what I'm going to get if I talk about children), I'm asked not to humiliate one of the speakers in public - even if they ask stupid questions. If I film someone doing something stupid in the street and post it on the internet, it's still disgusting - even if they were doing it in public.

    It's the same here. You can discuss the subject completely anonymously, without pointing the finger directly at the thread. I'm going to stop the conversation there, it is, after all, out of topic. But I find it frankly nauseating that the responsibility of youtubers is never called into question with excuses as flimsy as: ‘yes, but it's public... So the person's looking for a minimum, isn't he?’ or “they're not responsible for their community” (they are, as I said above, that's one of the basics of being a youtuber).

    They've been fighting for a long time to be recognised as legitimate professionals in the world of entertainment. They've more or less succeeded, and I think that's great - now it's time to remember that any profession requires a minimum of responsibility, and that of not calling for a form of public humiliation, even if it's indirect, goes with it.

    Anyway, back to the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrigan View Post
    The fact that it's public in no way excuses the risk involved. If I'm a teacher and I have an adult audience (because I know what I'm going to get if I talk about children), I'm asked not to humiliate one of the speakers in public - even if they ask stupid questions. If I film someone doing something stupid in the street and post it on the internet, it's still disgusting - even if they were doing it in public.

    It's the same here. You can discuss the subject completely anonymously, without pointing the finger directly at the thread. I'm going to stop the conversation there, it is, after all, out of topic. But I find it frankly nauseating that the responsibility of youtubers is never called into question with excuses as flimsy as: ‘yes, but it's public... So the person's looking for a minimum, isn't he?’ or “they're not responsible for their community” (they are, as I said above, that's one of the basics of being a youtuber).

    They've been fighting for a long time to be recognised as legitimate professionals in the world of entertainment. They've more or less succeeded, and I think that's great - now it's time to remember that any profession requires a minimum of responsibility, and that of not calling for a form of public humiliation, even if it's indirect, goes with it.

    Anyway, back to the topic.
    the risk of what? getting eyes from people who don't agree with you?
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    These people really complaining about an MMORPG being grindy ICANT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deejudanne View Post
    the risk of what? getting eyes from people who don't agree with you?
    Ah, there it is: the message that will make people say ‘I'm sorry if things go wrong, I never thought it would go this far’. In a pinch, but you already know this because the dangers of persecution on the net have already been demonstrated many times: mockery in the comments on the video in question; the intervention of communities that are far from benevolent; the fact that the conversation leaves the place where it was initially posted, which is frankly unpleasant because it's out of your control.

    You'd frankly have to be naive (or in very bad faith, which I suspect you are) to think that you only risk getting a few sideways glances when people disagree with you on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrigan View Post
    Ah, there it is: the message that will make people say ‘I'm sorry if things go wrong, I never thought it would go this far’. In a pinch, but you already know this because the dangers of persecution on the net have already been demonstrated many times: mockery in the comments on the video in question; the intervention of communities that are far from benevolent; the fact that the conversation leaves the place where it was initially posted, which is frankly unpleasant because it's out of your control.

    You'd frankly have to be naive (or in very bad faith, which I suspect you are) to think that you only risk getting a few sideways glances when people disagree with you on the internet.
    Mind elaborating what kind of awful things people will get here for having different opinions in a video game?
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    These people really complaining about an MMORPG being grindy ICANT