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    Honestly, I feel like a majority of players at level 100 who still can't handle basic mechanics are probably those who queues for crystal tower everyday so they can only press 2 buttons and think they're playing the game. If they get anything past void ark they complain about having to actually use their brain and kits and leaves. Things might be better if they just removed crystal tower from roulettes or make all the raids mandatory, at least they can see mechanics other than a orange circle that you can stand in it and still survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nirvaphreak View Post
    Honestly, I feel like a majority of players at level 100 who still can't handle basic mechanics are probably those who queues for crystal tower everyday so they can only press 2 buttons and think they're playing the game. If they get anything past void ark they complain about having to actually use their brain and kits and leaves. Things might be better if they just removed crystal tower from roulettes or make all the raids mandatory, at least they can see mechanics other than a orange circle that you can stand in it and still survive.
    You can no longer ilvl cheese to fish specifically for CT. Other than that, it's a simple answer: the goal of an Alliance roulette is to gain XP and get tomes. CT takes 15 minutes and Nier3 takes ~40-45 for a similar amount of XP. Even a lalafell born yesterday can see that one is a lot more efficient per time spent than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDawnstar View Post
    You can no longer ilvl cheese to fish specifically for CT. Other than that, it's a simple answer: the goal of an Alliance roulette is to gain XP and get tomes. CT takes 15 minutes and Nier3 takes ~40-45 for a similar amount of XP. Even a lalafell born yesterday can see that one is a lot more efficient per time spent than the other.
    People are getting sick of CT because its boring to redo the same thing a thousand times, people want diverse choices and to have FUN, not forcing monotonous grinding in the simplest 24 man series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDawnstar View Post
    You can no longer ilvl cheese to fish specifically for CT. Other than that, it's a simple answer: the goal of an Alliance roulette is to gain XP and get tomes. CT takes 15 minutes and Nier3 takes ~40-45 for a similar amount of XP. Even a lalafell born yesterday can see that one is a lot more efficient per time spent than the other.
    You are admitting that you are the type of player that would like to press the queue button and collect rewards instantly. Go play an idle game if you want free dopamine for zero effort. People like you ruin games for everyone else because you demand an experience that very few people are actually interested in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDawnstar View Post
    You can no longer ilvl cheese to fish specifically for CT. Other than that, it's a simple answer: the goal of an Alliance roulette is to gain XP and get tomes. CT takes 15 minutes and Nier3 takes ~40-45 for a similar amount of XP. Even a lalafell born yesterday can see that one is a lot more efficient per time spent than the other.
    "Have you heard about the new Mass Effect game that just came out? It's the most time efficient one yet!"

    It's genuinely fascinating to me that someone would value time efficiency so much more than fun that they would intentionally cheese to get Crystal Tower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDawnstar View Post
    You can no longer ilvl cheese to fish specifically for CT. Other than that, it's a simple answer: the goal of an Alliance roulette is to gain XP and get tomes. CT takes 15 minutes and Nier3 takes ~40-45 for a similar amount of XP. Even a lalafell born yesterday can see that one is a lot more efficient per time spent than the other.
    Easy, plenty of people don't unlock any of the other alliance raids, guaranteed snooze fest that continues to allow people to rot and only press 2 buttons, in fact, I once cleared it without moving during boss fights and didn't even get hit, that sure helps me learn harder contents. Also they adjusted it so getting Nier or MoTR will give pretty much near a full level of exp, so no excuses on the time spent anymore. And that also explains why so many people don't know basic mechanics and think's DT is hard, they only do short and easy raids. How will you ever improve if 90% of the time playing you only have 2-3 buttons and never seen any mechanics? If everyone in the group does just a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit more than bare minimum you can still skip mechanics in Nier raids.

    I play a game for fun, I want my full or near full kit to play. What is the point of paying a monthly sub just to be in and out in 15 minutes while feeling bored, just to afk in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nirvaphreak View Post
    Easy, plenty of people don't unlock any of the other alliance raids
    Yes, but that's kinda like cutting off legs so you don't have to put on your shoes in the morning: "a tad" extreme.
    Alliance raids are amazing the first few times, but once they are used as a XP source, then the disparity between them becomes apparent.

    I think that Ivalice and Nier raids simply need a slight HP adjustment and people will complain a lot less. In fact, Aglaia & co. don't suffer from the same HP bloat.

    Quote Originally Posted by nirvaphreak View Post
    How will you ever improve if 90% of the time playing you only have 2-3 buttons and never seen any mechanics?
    That's a question you should ask YoshiP. When you are synced down in Timewalking WoW (and GW2) you still have all your buttons and can still use them.

    Quote Originally Posted by nirvaphreak View Post
    I play a game for fun, I want my full or near full kit to play. What is the point of paying a monthly sub just to be in and out in 15 minutes while feeling bored, just to afk in town.
    That is also a question you should ask YoshiP: why did he design an MMORPG in which is there so little to do in terms of character development. (and no, mounts and pets aren't that )
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    "I think that Ivalice and Nier raids simply need a slight HP adjustment and people will complain a lot less. In fact, Aglaia & co. don't suffer from the same HP bloat."

    No please no. Anything that moves some of my favorite content closer to the snorefest that is Aglia is a bad move. In most runs Mathbot doesn't even get to his spicy spin as it is, you skip mechanics in rabanastre all the time.. and in Myth of the Realm it's the same thing. All the best mechanics didn't even happen in ***launch week***. Halone's spinning towers of doom that was fun was skipped on launch day.. LAUNCH *DAY*. This is not the way. If anything, a select few bosses in the SB alliance raids need an HP buff.

    Also if Yoshi P goes back and adds savage CT that should be the one queued in roulettes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Merrigan View Post
    Having said that, it's perfectly abnormal for streamers to get involved. Guys lead communities that can behave like rabid dogs (because the group effect is often an atrocious thing, let's face it). The guys should at least have the decency not to target a particular post, and frankly that would be worthy of legal penalties. This kind of thing can go a long way, and we're not in the early days of the internet where raids on communities/individuals and cyberstalking in general were ignored phenomena.
    I disagree to an extent. It's is really good that a streamer with an audience that loves this game and the direction it's taken with DT alerts them that there's a very active thread that the developers can read which is trying to revert the game back to the very easy very boring previous level of challenge. Not everyone comes here nor may they understand the influence such threads may have on the development of the game. A streamer is also not responsible for the lack of tact some of their audience may have.

    I for one am glad that more people who prefer the quality of the content in DT can come here to express their gratitude and encourage the devs to stay the course and not cave to a vocal portion of the playerbase that spent over a decade playing the same game but still can't seem to move out of a glowing orange circle.
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    Last edited by Slab_Rockjaw; 07-20-2024 at 10:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slab_Rockjaw View Post

    I disagree to an extent. It's is really good that a streamer with an audience that loves this game and the direction it's taken with DT alerts them that there's a very active thread that the developers can read which is trying to revert the game back to the very easy very boring previous level of challenge. Not everyone comes here nor may they understand the influence such threads may have on the development of the game. A streamer is also not responsible for the lack of tact some of their audience may have.

    I for one am glad that more people who prefer the quality of the content in DT can come here to express their gratitude and encourage the devs to stay the course and not cave to a vocal portion of the playerbase that spent over a decade playing the same game but still can't seem to move out of a glowing orange circle.
    The problem is that he could have made a video, without pointing the finger at a particular thread. He masked the OP's name (for legal reasons more than anything else, I imagine?); nonetheless, it can be found in two seconds. Linked to the player's virtual identity. And from then on, causing problems / raids.

    I completely disagree that a yt isn't accountable to its community. On the contrary: managing a community is one of the most essential parts of their job. Saying the opposite is like saying that a teacher isn't responsible for his or her class: if a few students get out of hand and are particularly problematic, we'll always assume that it's up to the teacher to try and calm things down a bit. At least to try. In the case of a youtuber and a streamer, it's the same thing and I'm always surprised that some people (not you: the streamers/youters in question ) think they're above that... What's more, when it comes to winning subscribers, they're suddenly very good at management!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrigan View Post
    The problem is that he could have made a video, without pointing the finger at a particular thread. He masked the OP's name (for legal reasons more than anything else, I imagine?); nonetheless, it can be found in two seconds. Linked to the player's virtual identity. And from then on, causing problems / raids.
    Okay, look, full disclosure: I didn't watch the video and I didn't come here because of it. I came here because reddit suggested this would be a good place to provide positive feedback towards DT where the devs are watching. I love the DT content so I did so. My comment was not directed at this video but a general statement: directing people here to counter a, imo, harmful sentiment that the game should return to 15 second cast bars for single mechanics and zero-thought content. If they did, in fact, tell people to come here and call the OP a maidenless n00b or whatever that's obviously wrong. I yield that point if it's the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizore11 View Post
    There have been more than enough people answering the OP why his take is not good. Did u read his responses tho? He literally doesnt care at all. He thinks hes representing the "casual" players, which he doesnt. Hes part of a minority accusing people of forcing what they pref on people like him while literally doing the same. Also since Arthars made a video bout this he acts like a child. ... He never wanted to discuss with people not sharing his view, which he clearly stated already...
    It does sound, from the recent comments as highlighted here, that in fact it's the opposite. OP is being unreasonable and the youtuber simply pointed it out. There's nothing wrong with pointing at a public post on a public forum where someone is being unreasonable.
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    Last edited by Slab_Rockjaw; 07-21-2024 at 12:00 AM.

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