Difficulty of normal content.

[jdtuggey]

There are now 730 posts in this thread. 710 of them are not from OP. It's sad to see someone like Arthars raid the official forums just to take down one (1) person he doesn't like. Hundreds of people against one. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this?

It's not because Arthras made me aware of the issue that I'm dogpiling the dude for Arthras, I'm here for myself, am not here to dogpile or insult anyone, I'm here to give my opinion on a matter that I care about that I was made aware of by Arthras.

I don't even watch Arthras regularly. I was just recommended a video on youtube.
Like, am sure you agree with some opinions the worst people in the world have, but you probably don't agree with the opinions they hold that made them the worst people in the world. :P
Please don't make assumptions and strawman people who have genuine opinions because their opinions happen to align with the opinions of someone you don't like.

[VioletCatastrophe]

There are now 730 posts in this thread. 710 of them are not from OP. It's sad to see someone like Arthars raid the official forums just to take down one (1) person he doesn't like. Hundreds of people against one. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this?

I don't even watch Arthars? The only reason I know about this is from a friend of mine talking about this, who found out about the thread from Mr Happy's video. You are accusing me of tribalism, yet you are the one making assumptions about me, why I'm here, and making up some kind of grand conflict. Sometimes it's really just as simple as having a really really bad take on a topic and finally deciding to actually participate in the place that the devs listen to instead of talking about it among friends. The reason you are seeing more people on the forums is simply that more people are realizing that the devs only listen here.

But okay sure it's all one streamer dogpiling someone. It could never possibly be that this take is so horrendously awful that its driving people into their first forum interactions.

[TheFrogMan]

Not reading 73 pages of comments.

If the content wasn't casual every mechanic would have a fail state that would wipe the whole party or instantly kill you.
You can survive multiple failed mechanics in these normal raids and even extremes. There are no DPS checks in normal raids or MSQ, and in Extremes it's so easy to skip mechanics and never see enrage just by doing 123 and face roll.

It is baffling to even think that others might agree with OP, and I can't even imagine why. Is it some damaged ego each time you get a vuln and you're so anxiety ridden and pathetic to acknowledge it as a learning opportunity to improve? Do you have no pride in yourself as a player in anything?

I went from starting the game in SHB 5.2, looking up guides for each dungeon and asking for advice after each dungeon on what I could have done better as a tank, to clearing savage raids, all savage criterion, and all ultimate raids. Thinking you're stuck at the level you're at and then grasping at everyone trying to bring them down to your level just so you look better is sad.

Throw some elbow grease into it for the love of Hydaelyn.

[AurisNix]

There are now 730 posts in this thread. 710 of them are not from OP. It's sad to see someone like Arthars raid the official forums just to take down one (1) person he doesn't like. Hundreds of people against one. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this?

Yeah why some FFXIV players are like this? Everything is just to blame some random streamer but ppl cant have their opinion or disagree with the poor ppl that just want a validation I didn't even knew Arthars reacted to this and im sure alot of ppl that posted here didn't know either, am I surprised that he reacted? well absolutely no cuz this deserves to be reacted, cuz yeah at some point it got hilarious and totally crazy how learning to play the game is an actual issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see more streamers reacting to this and disagreeing with the game being too hard.

[JowyAtreides]

I'd challenge the OP to go into older, familiar normal raids, at minimum ilvl (because face it, this is what we all are right now until we gear up), and see exactly how the difficulty compares.

I think you'll probably find it's a bit more of a challenge than you remember.

[Novarius]

I’d also like to say I’m not here as some pawn of a streamer and I don’t bear OP or anyone else with a conflicting opinion to mine any ill will, I felt compelled to set up a forum account to dispel any misinformation surrounding the new Normal Raids and other casual/normal MSQ content introduced in DT, calling this content unreasonably more difficult than what we’ve seen before is simply not true when I’ve been there and experienced similar content Day 1 in other expansions…

[MakariaZofura]

This has to be fake rage bait. No one is THIS entitled.

The longer this goes the more inclined i am to agree with you.

[jdtuggey]

The longer this goes the more inclined i am to agree with you.

oh you sweet summer child lol, I wish I was still this optimistic about people on the internet. :P

[MakariaZofura]

oh you sweet summer child lol, I wish I was still this optimistic about people on the internet. :P

Despite the terrible things i've seen in the world, it's my nature to give people the benefit of the doubt when i don't know them. It's actually a problem for me.

[holydiver1286]

I have very few posts. I think I've only commented on one post before in the entire 10 years I've been playing this game. That doesn't matter even in the least. I literally decided to make the rare effort to login to these forums specifically to reply to your post because it's just such a bad take. There wasn't even a need to watch a streamer to figure that out. When you have this many comments all giving you the advice to actually learn how to play the game, that's saying something. If you've been playing as long as you say you have, and have seen these style of mechanics over and over and over again but say they're too hard, that means you have completely refused to learn and/or pay any attention to anything. Are some people rude with how they reply? Sure, but they're not wrong in the idea of what they're saying. You have years of "experience" playing the game, you're level 100, and this is optional content. You have the option of not doing it. As I mentioned in my previous comment, there's other people that join XIV, sometimes level/story skip meaning they don't have any lengthy learning opportunities like you have, and are trying savage or ultimate within a month. It's all about how much effort you put into it. Also you're confusing what casual means. Casual does not mean brain dead easy. It means that the content can be cleared by any group without the need for voice chat or extra coordination of any kind with random people. The normal raids certainly fall within that category. Anyone can clear these fights and most do on their first attempt from all the runs that I've seen or been in. Learn from dying to things. Oh no, you died? Get back up and try it again, learning from what killed you and to not do that again. You don't lose anything from dying other than a little time. If you want an enemy that just sits there and lets you beat them down without having to do anything, go fight a random monster in the world or a striking dummy. If you still refuse to learn from everything said here, maybe this game, or at the very least optional content, just isn't for you. There's nothing wrong with that. But you actively refusing to learn how to play and then saying that it's the game's fault is just insane.