Difficulty of normal content.

[Alyx-Greywind]

I've been responding here and there and while I do not agree with a lot of the comments from the OP I've also come to realise that so many of you are needlessly toxic, nasty and uncaring. This whole thread should be locked because it's become a series of unhinged elitist commentary, backhanded comments to the OP and sheer rudeness to anyone suggesting actual feedback on difficulty.

I feel like I've been sent back 15 years to old message boards, shouldn't really be surprised. At this point this thread is a lost cause.

[VioletCatastrophe]

I've been responding here and there and while I do not agree with a lot of the comments from the OP I've also come to realise that so many of you are needlessly toxic, nasty and uncaring.

I really don't see it. I do see a lot of people being blunt when it comes to shutting down unsubstantiated and patently false claims. But if people are going to make up stuff, or overly exaggerate things to try to prove their point, then I don't see any point humoring such a bad faith (or in the best case scenario, knowingly false) arguments. Nobody is being elitist, but there are certainly people who are tired of having the elitism line thrown at them to shut down their stance that uh... wiping is okay, content shouldn't be trivial, content should get harder over time as players learn more and get more experienced, and that content has been long due to get harder after two expansions of largely trivial level cap content.

And also so what if like, a handful of people actually are being toxic. I sure haven't seen any (other than the toxic takes coming from those who agree with OP), but even if they did exist it wouldn't change the fact that OP is just straight up wrong for demanding this. I don't want to have my ability to not get bored to death in casual content be held hostage by a vocal minority of people who are extremely adamant that learning from mistakes is impossible. Even the devs admitted to falling asleep in their level cap content in Endwalker. There's a reason that despite the huge critical acclaim of Endwalker's MSQ the expansion has a reputation for being mediocre and lacklustre in terms of its content.

The content has been such a huge step forward in Dawntrail. I hope everyone who is struggling now can rise to the occasion, can grow, improve, and feel the satisfaction of doing so. It would be an absolute shame if SE were to back pedal and take that opportunity away from us and make the game more like the tedium of EW just to please the whiny vocal minority. And if that makes me toxic to say it then sure, I'm toxic. I don't care.

[Deslyxic]

I've been responding here and there and while I do not agree with a lot of the comments from the OP I've also come to realise that so many of you are needlessly toxic, nasty and uncaring. This whole thread should be locked because it's become a series of unhinged elitist commentary, backhanded comments to the OP and sheer rudeness to anyone suggesting actual feedback on difficulty.

I feel like I've been sent back 15 years to old message boards, shouldn't really be surprised. At this point this thread is a lost cause.

I wouldn't worry about it. From the time of his tweet when Arthars streamed this thread it must have been between by pages 5-8, and then tweeted about it, and then uploaded the clip to youtube, and then twitted again. And another creator uploaded a video of not this thread but the one about dungeons specifically. And then this was linked in 4chan.
The grand majority of the people on the last 50+ pages were agitated by a streamer or are just trolls. Just look at the staggering number of Jul 2024 - 1 post comments.

[Novarius]

Well I for one have been following this thread with great curiosity even before Arthars drew more attention to it OP, I’ve also seen that several people have tried to engage you in a constructive discussion but you have been pretty dismissive of what they have to say or needlessly rude in some your replies. All I’ll say is if you make claims about normal content being too difficult you should be fully prepared to defend your opinion and back up your claims with actual facts, otherwise you’re obviously going to look pretty foolish…

[Deslyxic]

Well I for one have been following this thread with great curiosity even before Arthars drew more attention to it OP, I’ve also seen that several people have tried to engage you in a constructive discussion but you have been pretty dismissive of what they have to say or needlessly rude in some your replies. All I’ll say is if you make claims about normal content being too difficult you should be fully prepared to defend your opinion and back up your claims with actual facts, otherwise you’re obviously going to look pretty foolish…

Well, I went kinda unhinged with my griefing roulettes post but I stand by everything I wrote. And yes, I am very much dismissing, but can you provide examples of me being rude?

[Novarius]

I do remember you making a pointless comment about you eating breakfast when someone replied to you, instead of just waiting until after you’d finish eating and replying civilly I’d consider that pretty rude and petty… it’s not like they were demanding a reply from you…

Back on topic I think the design language of these Normal Raids was very strong, some of the telegraphs/tells were even recycled from previous fights and those that were new communicated what was going to happen pretty well e.g. M1’s attack that launches a player onto another tile and those that weren’t immediately obvious became clearer after seeing the first demonstration e.g. how M1 boss doesn’t turn when teleporting to do the R/L cleave or cardinal/intercardinal cleaves

[Deslyxic]

you didn't get the validation you were looking for

I don't get why people assume this. When I came here to post I knew I was gonna get backlash, that I was going to a lot of "git gud" messages because I know how forums are, but thought important to give such feedback because I think is wrong to increase the difficulty of the easiest content of the game and I feel that people that crave for a challenge does have enough content catered specifically for them. I also know that there are people that might be afraid of saying what I been saying because of the exact backlash I am receiving.

I do remember you making a pointless comment about you eating breakfast when someone replied to you, instead of just waiting until after you’d finish eating and replying civilly I’d consider that pretty rude and petty… it’s not like they were demanding a reply from you…

Haha, check the post, I was answering to a person that was saying "why are you posting here instead of playing the game", well, I wasn't playing the game because I was having breakfast, I swear.

[RysloSuramlo]

I don't get why people assume this. When I came here to post I knew I was gonna get backlash, that I was going to a lot of "git gud" messages because I know how forums are, but thought important to give such feedback because I think is wrong to increase the difficulty of the easiest content of the game and I feel that people that crave for a challenge does have enough content catered specifically for them. I also know that there are people that might be afraid of saying what I been saying because of the exact backlash I am receiving.


Haha, check the post, I was answering to a person that was saying "why are you posting here instead of playing the game", well, I wasn't playing the game because I was having breakfast, I swear.

I think your feelings are justified, but I also think that between the ridiculous notions of Healer Strikes and people complaining about how easy things had been, Dawntrail is getting mixed reviews from those very same folks. Now that the dungeons are decently challenging and raids have a bit more of a bite, I don't think Square Enix (or any company, for that matter) can appease everyone. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Personally, I like Dawntrail's difficulty. It reminds me of the days when A Realm Reborn was current content and Heavensward was released. I play games not just to 'beat' them but to experience them, and in that regard, your feelings are justified too. I won't attack you and tell you that you need to 'get good,' but if a game is too easy, people move on and play other games while waiting for 'more content.' I think that was the issue with Endwalker. A lot of people blew through the content, played other games, then came back for a few weeks after the next patch and repeated the cycle. Difficulty keeps things challenging and engaging.

[Kiurt]

I wouldn't worry about it. From the time of his tweet when Arthars streamed this thread it must have been between by pages 5-8, and then tweeted about it, and then uploaded the clip to youtube, and then twitted again. And another creator uploaded a video of not this thread but the one about dungeons specifically. And then this was linked in 4chan.
The grand majority of the people on the last 50+ pages were agitated by a streamer or are just trolls. Just look at the staggering number of Jul 2024 - 1 post comments.

I do agree that you got a lot of toxic comments. These are not fine.

You're also part of the problem.

Yet again, you didn't get the validation you were looking for, so you've been blaming it on everybody else (and especially streamers) rather than asking the right question, that maybe, just maybe, you might be in the wrong ?

You seem to be a very self-centered person. People were willing to give you tips, you were ignoring them, even worse than that, you used the mighty "I have been playing for 6 years, I'm fine !" as an argument.

You're not a hardcore player we get it.

You're not a midcore player we get it.

You're also not a casual player. They do adapt and clear dungeons and raids just fine (and extreme/some of savages if they're interested in that type of content despite having little time to play). Wanna know why ? They learn. They ask. They try. They overcome.

You have been ignoring people wanting to help you, giving you arguments. You seem to care only for what makes the water flow your way, judging by your comments and reactions.

That's why I earlier said you were toxic in your own way.
Things going back to EW levels of boss designs will just end up killing the game. Bosses aren't more difficult in Dawntrail, they're designed in a way that you have to pay attention, like WoL in ShB, Shinryu at release when people were using leveling gear. Or even Thunger God in Orbonne before the nerfs. It's ok to die, as long as you learn, it's ok aswell for other people to die and learn, not everyone learn things at the same speed. And yes, you're not alone in a raid, that is called an MMO. If people are learning slower than you, maybe ask them if they need some tips. If you're fine with you failing and learning, but not the others, then the genre isn't for you.

[holydiver1286]

I have very few posts. I think I've only commented on one post before in the entire 10 years I've been playing this game. That doesn't matter even in the least. I literally decided to make the rare effort to login to these forums specifically to reply to your post because it's just such a bad take. There wasn't even a need to watch a streamer to figure that out. When you have this many comments all giving you the advice to actually learn how to play the game, that's saying something. If you've been playing as long as you say you have, and have seen these style of mechanics over and over and over again but say they're too hard, that means you have completely refused to learn and/or pay any attention to anything. Are some people rude with how they reply? Sure, but they're not wrong in the idea of what they're saying. You have years of "experience" playing the game, you're level 100, and this is optional content. You have the option of not doing it. As I mentioned in my previous comment, there's other people that join XIV, sometimes level/story skip meaning they don't have any lengthy learning opportunities like you have, and are trying savage or ultimate within a month. It's all about how much effort you put into it. Also you're confusing what casual means. Casual does not mean brain dead easy. It means that the content can be cleared by any group without the need for voice chat or extra coordination of any kind with random people. The normal raids certainly fall within that category. Anyone can clear these fights and most do on their first attempt from all the runs that I've seen or been in. Learn from dying to things. Oh no, you died? Get back up and try it again, learning from what killed you and to not do that again. You don't lose anything from dying other than a little time. If you want an enemy that just sits there and lets you beat them down without having to do anything, go fight a random monster in the world or a striking dummy. If you still refuse to learn from everything said here, maybe this game, or at the very least optional content, just isn't for you. There's nothing wrong with that. But you actively refusing to learn how to play and then saying that it's the game's fault is just insane.