Difficulty of normal content.

[Deslyxic]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

@Tyrbris
4 hours ago
I like the direction DT has taken with normal mode content, but I dread getting stuck in roulettes with these people that will just give up or never learn.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

[talloran]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

get good or get gone, the game is not being tailored to your wishes anymore.

[CutieLucy]

This expansion finally has content that makes me think. Endwalker was super easy. The expert dungeons this time around threw me for a loop the first couple runs. The normal raids actually wiped me once.

You've had 100 levels and several expansions to learn the game. The attacks are well telegraphed. By this point you should know to pay attention to the boss's movements and not just aoe markers on the ground. AOE bigger than you expected? Well you know after getting hit by it. Mistakes are allowed to happen. If this is your first expansion even doing normal raids I could see it being a big jump compared to story dungeons, but to that end I'd suggest going back and doing the old raids. Learn the common mechanics recycled through expansions.

You have no one to blame for your lack of ability than yourself. It takes time, and practice. Make mistakes. Hell, stop hitting the boss if a mechanic is confusing you and focus on the mechanic. It's normal mode. Stop ranting about how things need to be easier for you when the bulk of players have no issue with it. The vocal minority should not get to ruin optional content for everyone else. If you can figure out the forums then you can figure out using google and youtube, and seek out resources to help you improve.

I'm sorry you had a rough time, but you said you can learn a fight. So are you really complaining about the difficulty being a step up from Endwalker, or are you complaining that on day 1 everyone was in the same boat as you, and learning the fight for the first time? Just genuinely curious given the amount of resources online, and how the game itself has taught players over the course of multiple expansions.

[Volgia]

This is a losing argument. You should've argued that these raids don't have lag, rather than trying to defend the lag. No other AAA game has this issue to the extent that FFXIV has.

LMAO. I mean, I wasn't arguing to win here, I'd welcome no lag, but since it's not going anywhere without a complete redo of the game engine it's at the end of the day just another thing to deal with.

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

This comment in Arthars's video raises a great point.

See, people is dismissing this issue thinking they are not affected are wrong. You are in the same boat with people like me whether you like it or not.

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

But you see I already decided that I gonna protest (and yes, I think deserves to be protested) by just not doing it (already said it in the OP) and not go with the second option because a) I'm not an as$hole, and b) as I said I don't believe the people in this forum represent the community at large and I would be griefing the wrong people.


On a completely unrelated note, I love all the people saying that criterion weren't played because of the rewards, Xeno already covered that on a video. You all love so much the challenge for the sake of a challenge that you kick the content under the rug the second it doesn't reward you with something to showoff how much of a Big Boy Gamer you are!
If that's is the rule, let me tell that undyable gear and some ts are not reward enough for the difficulty of these normal raids.

So you are going to just become a problem because you don't care to learn? Lol you are actually toxic, keep projecting onto those who care enough to learn and grow in the game they enjoy playing. You obviously care enough to make a post in the forums, and yet the second you get pushback, it becomes a huge issue. This was bold to post, and the majority of people calling you out with plausible, well thought-out responses are "toxic". My gosh.

[Caitamm]

I don't feel like the people with difficulty issues are actually complaining about the lag at all. If they were, the complaint wouldn't be "this is too hard" but "this mechanics is unfair/doesn't register correctly." They would be mentioning the fact that they KNOW the mechanic and felt like they did it PROPERLY but got hit anyway.

They are truly struggling with identifying and responding to mechanics. Which makes me think that if the engine/netcode were improved so that visuals/damage snapshots actually lined up they wouldn't have any easier of a time getting through it.

[Ellona_Andrivari]

I have seen 3 players from China clear UCOB on Crystal DC if they can do ultimate tier content on their connection, anyone can do anything just believe in yourselves.

[Sol_Seppy]

idk I'm kinda sick of people who run content ONCE, at a push twice, die over and over, and because of that consider it a fault of the core design.

As with any normal content, I guarantee the 5th time you run it, it will be so much easier for you.

Failing that, how about:

A) Don't do the content. Half of the stuff folks are complaining about are optional anyway.
or
B) Persevere. Learn. Failure causes you to grow and learn, so long as you use like one braincell and look inward, content will only become easier.

[ArielTimeshrine]

And I already made the decision of not even trying M3 or M4, but the alternative, the malicious compliance way, would be to just to go to the raids and just stand there doing some semblance of a rotation, zero effort of doing mechanics, and when I die and get raised I do it again. "Sorry guys, I'm still learning the fight. Tee hee! ^_^" (might even turn off skip of watched cutscenes to sell the illusion). And when the healers get tired or expending MP on my sorry butt, I just gonna lie down in the floor, watching something on the other monitor. But I will sure fit and perky for the moment of rolling the loot. Or maybe I'll just finish whatever I was watching before I roll, that would be fun for M4 that I'm pretty sure must have a minion.

Go ahead and do it. The moment somebody with two braincells sees that happen they can hit you with a ToS violation for obstruction of play. If you have to break ToS to play this game how you want, then get out.

[RezPls]

Shinryu wasn't nerfed, it was because most people when they got to that fight had really bad gear on (mostly whatever they picked up from dungeons) and we didn't have the job gear back then like we do now. I remember having to make a PF for that fight just to beat Stormblood; I enjoyed the fight, but never had to do that since and kinda glad I don't.

We did have job gear at that level, the level 70 job quest literally hands you a full set of job AF AND a job AF weapon. You just decided to ignore the game telling you every 2 levels to do your quests. Wish the game refused to let you continue on a quest unless you had your full job AF on, since placing you in front of the job AF vendor for the past 3 expansions also doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

The only expansion where (on launch) we didn't go into the final expansion dungeon and trial with AF gear was HW; since we got that AF as the first set of raid tome gear.