Difficulty of normal content.

[Kiurt]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

I do agree that some comments were a bit over the line.

But so was OP on some of his answers, but not the same "toxicity" that people were in their comments.

To be honest, I kinda hate how the word "Casual" is wrongly used on both sides (and also used as an argument), on one end thinking casual doesn't want this type of content, and on the other end casuals that can't use their hands and wants everything to cater to them. Being a casual doesn't mean that you can't play or learn to play the game, enjoy the current dungeons/trials/raids, learn your class and all that stuff. A casual doesn't necesserily stands in town talking to people and just doing roulettes.

Also saw the argument that if you do not agree, you just want the game to cater to you and do not care about anyone else, which can also be used from both sides.

The video itself doesn't simply mock OP. Some points are kinda relevant, especially since these points are also in the comments here, but they seem to have been either ignored by OP or "disappeared" between "git gud"

[Volgia]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

To me this reads as another problem with FF over people not knowing how to deal with conflict. I haven't found any of these spectucularly rude or toxic. It's just people arguing over something they disagree with.

[lotlizard]

this is better than anything i could ever write

[Mister_Snakebite]

To everybody moaning about the difficulty here, how the heck did you get past Zodiark or Hydaelyn? Or, if you started when Stormblood came out, Shinryu? Or Tsukuyomi? Or the last battle with Elidibus? Those fights weren't easy. They threw a lot at you, because at that point you were a long way into the game and the developers at that point expect you to know what you're doing, or at the very least know enough to be able to survive. New stuff or combined mechanics shouldn't be enough to make your head spin.

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

I'm going to say this in the most respectful way possible, but because of posts like OP, SE HAS listened before and HAS dumbed down the content. The reality is, the new raids being hard is not a community-wide opinion, because they are not difficult. Complacency is literally what has caused so many to leave this game. Sure, we have ultimates and savage, but OP has not done savage or ultimate from the looks of it, because the clear jump of difficulty from normal raids to Savage/Ultimate is...I mean do I need to explain this?

The entitlement that "I should be able to do everything and if it is too hard they need to change it because I CANNOT DO IT" is bratty and quite honestly toxic in itself. I'm sorry but not everything is for everybody, not every job should be able to be played by everybody, not all raids, normal or savage, should be completed by everybody, especially those who do not care in the slightest to learn and progress to clear. If this trend continues and SE makes changes, it will damage the game. In my honest opinion, SE needs to be a bit more harsh on listening to casual players, because listening to players who DO NOT play the game in its entirety, or care to learn and work towards playing the game better, is a problem. SE needs to listen to the midcore/hardcore crowd, and work their way down. Because I think people think that "new things" means "hard", when, if OP has been playing for so long, they would see how many recycled mechanics we got in DT, and how it is just a new flare on old stuff. IDK how one can claim to have played since Stormblood, and think this is harder? Like...come on. Stormblood had some hands, especially in the trials which I think a few were harder on normal than the current normal raid tier.

This unfair to the community as a whole, and while this thread could be viewed as "toxic", I think its a conversation that needs to happen, and not everybody is going to like what they read/hear, but the reality is they need to hear it, and either get good (I mean this in the most respectful way), or don't play an MMO that has battle content, that is the honest to god truth.

[talloran]

You should really head over to WoW. They love super toxic people.

You should stop sheltering lazy people who don't want to bother on even trying to learn a new mechanic. You don't think people like OP are toxic? They literally confessed grieving the fight by staying dead on the ground. Stop trying to throw the word "toxic" at people who tell you to get a good a the game.

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

I do agree that some comments were a bit over the line.

But so was OP on some of his answers, but not the same "toxicity" that people were in their comments.

To be honest, I kinda hate how the word "Casual" is wrongly used on both sides (and also used as an argument), on one end thinking casual doesn't want this type of content, and on the other end casuals that can't use their hands and wants everything to cater to them. Being a casual doesn't mean that you can't play or learn to play the game, enjoy the current dungeons/trials/raids, learn your class and all that stuff. A casual doesn't necesserily stands in town talking to people and just doing roulettes.

Also saw the argument that if you do not agree, you just want the game to cater to you and do not care about anyone else, which can also be used from both sides.

The video itself doesn't simply mock OP. Some points are kinda relevant, especially since these points are also in the comments here, but they seem to have been either ignored by OP or "disappeared" between "git gud"

The problem is that they DO want things to cater to them, and it damages the game at large. I mean look at EW, they admitted (SE), that they dummed it down because they listened too much...like? We all have to be punished because some people cannot put in the time and effort to actually learn content? That is fair?

[talloran]

If you say so.

I say that the online equivalent of trying to run them out of town for having an opinion contrary to yours is an unhealthy mindset.

Either do that or we are stuck with another expansion that will be a nothingburger again. No worthwhile post patch content. Just do the easy peasy MSQ and main dungeons, queue into alliance raids to do crystal tower and log off.

[Carin-Eri]

You should stop sheltering lazy people who don't want to bother on even trying to learn a new mechanic. You don't think people like OP are toxic? They literally confessed griecing the fight by staying dead on the ground. Stop trying to throw the word "toxic" at people who tell you to get a good a the game.

But that's not what the OP said. They said "The Honey B fight had me wishing for the healer to not raise me, I was there in the floor, dead for the Nth time, thinking that I don't really want to be on that duty."
It's somewhat open to interpretation, but they didn't actually say they did remain dead on the ground - only that they wished they had.

[talloran]

Yay! Another "get good" hero. The M+ forums are calling for you friend. Go... find your people...

Literally a get good issue. The current normal raid is not hard.