Difficulty of normal content.

[MakariaZofura]

First of all, I think there must be some issue here that doesn't make sense. IMO this discussion on the forum is 100 times more stressful than anything in Dawntrail at all. Even as you described them, you wiped once or twice - so did I, that is literally normal, ok and expected. It would be strange if you didn't.

This agument, and arguments in general and incredibly stressful things, so whatever is bothering you likely isn't stress. (I do love a good argument, but they are absolutely stressful events.)

I'm worried if this is too much stress for you and you don't like it, how do you find a job? go to school? talk to family members that vote differently than you? drive a car on a freeway? pay your bills? Go shopping and cook dinner?

The point is this level of stress is literally what it means to be human. After six years experince doing literally anything, i'd expect literally anyone to be able to do with a few unexpected twists and turns.

I don't want to pile on or be an asshole, it's more that I'm worried about you. When you logoff, are you ok?

Best,
Mak

[CastDeath]

Excuse me but wanting the game to have something a bit more engaging that requires to pay some attention and to know the basics of your job at MAX level is not elitist. Every single fight is very forgiving there were several instances in which only 1 healer and 1 tank were alive and we fully recovered to win the fight. Even if you wipe repeatedly you learn from your mistakes and progress until you eventually get the win. But I agree normal raid are indeed casual content, that doesn't mean you will have an easy time if you lack skill or dont put enough effort into your gameplay. I dont think one of the most fun raid we have had in years should be lessened just because you did not clear it right away. I am by no means a pro I literally just press all the glowing buttons on viper and I still managed to clear all 4 fights on the first try.

[CastDeath]

Most of you people calling people dumb for not enjoying the difficulty of the content are just a bunch of elitists, who are just selfcentered who can only see things of your own point of view. The MSQ being terrible is already a problem, but now we can't even enjoy the casual content, because we might land in a hard raid or dungeon, wipe 6 times in it because you land in a group where most players are extremely casual, who just want to do their dailies. Does it sound fun? no? oh right, ''just get better'', well you elitists, you forget that the huge majority of the players DON'T want to get better, most of them are casuals who enjoy playing with friends or do their dailies to relax after work.

You know what killed WoW to many players? exactly the type of players like you all elitits, who kept pushing for harder and harder content, to the point where the regular players just couldn't even dream on keeping up with the content and had to content themselves with the ''whatever content''. Perhaps it is time to just unsub and leave FFXIV to the elitits, you can have the trash MSQ and hard content, perhaps once FFXIV lose a huge portion of their players, they may learn something that WoW seems to be learning now. That Casuals are your real customers, not the elitists who wants to ruin the game for everyone else but themselves.

Ah btw. Normal Raid ARE casual content, since they contain lore and story. The non casual content is Savage, Extreme,etc.

Excuse me but wanting the game to have something a bit more engaging that requires to pay some attention and to know the basics of your job at MAX level is not elitist. Every single fight is very forgiving there were several instances in which only 1 healer and 1 tank were alive and we fully recovered to win the fight. Even if you wipe repeatedly you learn from your mistakes and progress until you eventually get the win. But I agree normal raid are indeed casual content, that doesn't mean you will have an easy time if you lack skill or dont put enough effort into your gameplay. I dont think one of the most fun raid we have had in years should be lessened just because you did not clear it right away. I am by no means a pro I literally just press all the glowing buttons on viper and I still managed to clear all 4 fights on the first try.

[Auxqii]

I last posted on 13th page and we are now at 27th page oh looord

[Elkanah]

You will have to excuse me if I disregard anything being said from an account created 3 months ago with almost 200 posts.

I see you Titanman, well played on the charade! But this is definitely Titanman. I always wondered why we never really heard from his posts anymore.

You'll have to excuse me if I disregard anything being said from an account that hasn't played for 10-14 years like some of us.

[Deslyxic]

First of all, I think there must be some issue here that doesn't make sense. IMO this discussion on the forum is 100 times more stressful than anything in Dawntrail at all. Even as you described them, you wiped once or twice - so did I, that is literally normal, ok and expected. It would be strange if you didn't.

This agument, and arguments in general and incredibly stressful things, so whatever is bothering you likely isn't stress. (I do love a good argument, but they are absolutely stressful events.)

I'm worried if this is too much stress for you and you don't like it, how do you find a job? go to school? talk to family members that vote differently than you? drive a car on a freeway? pay your bills? Go shopping and cook dinner?

The point is this level of stress is literally what it means to be human. After six years experince doing literally anything, i'd expect literally anyone to be able to do with a few unexpected twists and turns.

I don't want to pile on or be an asshole, it's more that I'm worried about you. When you logoff, are you ok?

Best,
Mak

Arguments are stressful but the thing is there is not much of an argument to be had here. It's just pages and pages of "skill issue", "git gud", "you can't be this bad after 100 levels", all the passive agresive "it's ok to be bad/die/wipe", the "it's not harder", the "it's harder but it's ok because I like it", all the "but such and such duty was hard too", "it's level 100 so it must be harder". Once you filter all that you end with less than a page of posts.
If I made this thread is because I like the game a lot, and I firmly believe this increase in difficulty for the easiest duties is going to be bad for the game in the long run. I stand for what I wrote in my past posts.

[CuteBucket]

Most of you people calling people dumb for not enjoying the difficulty of the content are just a bunch of elitists, who are just selfcentered who can only see things of your own point of view. The MSQ being terrible is already a problem, but now we can't even enjoy the casual content, because we might land in a hard raid or dungeon, wipe 6 times in it because you land in a group where most players are extremely casual, who just want to do their dailies. Does it sound fun? no? oh right, ''just get better'', well you elitists, you forget that the huge majority of the players DON'T want to get better, most of them are casuals who enjoy playing with friends or do their dailies to relax after work.

And herein lies the heart of the problem with your ilk. Why don't you want to get better? It's fun and rewarding to get better at a task that you weren't as skilled at to start, that's how games are designed from the ground up, to teach you how the game works and then present more challenges to overcome, thus giving a sense of accomplishment to the player that keeps them engaged and makes them want to continue to play the game. That's like intro to game design 101.

This is a video game. There is the expectation of game play with that. You don't have to do daily roulettes. You don't have to do the raids. But you are the people that whine every time something other than Crystal Tower comes up on Alliance Raid Roulette because there's a CHANCE you may have to actually think and press some buttons instead of turning your brain off for another run of Syrcus Tower. Heaven forbid you queue into a roulette and have to play the VIDEO GAME you're paying a monthly sub for. If you start freaking out the moment something goes wrong in a run and people start dying to mechanics and you just can't handle that, sorry, that's not the game's fault, that's a you problem. If you want something to relax after work, may I suggest watching TV instead of playing a video game? It doesn't actually require you to do anything, you can just stare at a screen!

[Elkanah]

Arguments are stressful but the thing is there is not much of an argument to be had here. It's just pages and pages of "skill issue", "git gud", "you can't be this bad after 100 levels", all the passive agresive "it's ok to be bad/die/wipe", the "it's not harder", the "it's harder but it's ok because I like it", all the "but such and such duty was hard too", "it's level 100 so it must be harder". Once you filter all that you end with less than a page of posts.
If I made this thread is because I like the game a lot, and I firmly believe this increase in difficulty for the easiest duties is going to be bad for the game in the long run. I stand for what I wrote in my past posts.

It's optional content. You dont need to do it lol. If you cant do it, come back when the next expansion is at level 110 and beat it with a couple bodies (or do what most of us warriors do, try soloing it at the new cap). Level 10-100 is your "normal content" or casual if you will. Anything beyond that after cap is either option or not necessary to need doing (unless yoship himself specifically says you need to do x fight to be able to access the next expansion-- similar to what he made everyone do with crystal tower series and Shb). Casual content is all your npc trust dungeons. Gathering, crafting, fates, among other things.

[Urielparadox]

Most of you people calling people dumb for not enjoying the difficulty of the content are just a bunch of elitists, who are just selfcentered who can only see things of your own point of view. The MSQ being terrible is already a problem, but now we can't even enjoy the casual content, because we might land in a hard raid or dungeon, wipe 6 times in it because you land in a group where most players are extremely casual, who just want to do their dailies. Does it sound fun? no? oh right, ''just get better'', well you elitists, you forget that the huge majority of the players DON'T want to get better, most of them are casuals who enjoy playing with friends or do their dailies to relax after work.


Ah btw. Normal Raid ARE casual content, since they contain lore and story. The non casual content is Savage, Extreme,etc.

Normal raids, are still raids. They are not easy raids or casual raids or they would be labeled as such. They are not MSQ related, or tied to MSQ, even if they contain lore. It has nothing to do with elitism, these fights aren't hard and if SE had continued to release fights like EW a larger portion of the player base would unsubbed. If you struggle that much, do them when the new gear comes out in 2 weeks, do them once the 24 man comes out. Nothing is forcing you to do them right now, except yourself. The fights are not hard, if you think they are, there are guides already out for them. A raid by definition is harder than normal content and SE has stated this. You are simply refusing to want to put any work or effort in to doing them. As you state you don't wanna put effort into anything. y everyone else should suffer cause I can't do this one daily, that's selfish. Taking everyone else's enjoyment away from something, that's selfish. You are literally calling everyone else selfish for your own personal viewpoint and your own self admitted desire to want to be lazy. That is the very definition of gaslighting. If you are doing your roulettes for daily there isn't a point right now cause we dont have the new tomestones yet. Once the new tomestones come out? guess what this roulette is a horrible way to get them u will get more tome/time doing a dungeon run or a variety of other things in this game. You are being selfish in your own demands. The vast majority of the player base is Excited for these raids, the vast majority is praising the funness of these raids. It has nothing to do with elitism, almost every mechanic in these trials has been done repeatedly in other content, including past raids, just wrapped up in a different package.

[Priddy]

Since this is a feedback thread, I just wanted to drop my two cents and say that while I sympathize with OP for struggling with Normal mode content, I disagree with them, and I think their requests will make the game worse.

I'm sure if you just opened a PF, people will help you get through whatever you may get stuck on. In every normal mode battle in the entire game (with maybe like one exception I'm not thinking of), a party can carry a DPS that literally doesn't even touch their controller/keyboard.