Difficulty of normal content.

[Solragor]

for example on M3, when you go from the rotating cone and black stuff back to Larian spam.

You can make that one super easy for yourself, because there is no reason to move around much.

The boss will not hit the initial cone twice - meaning it is safe for the rest of the mechanic, and you only need to move in or out a bit. if you stand at the right position, that's like one step every few seconds. great for casters.

[jdtuggey]

You can make that one super easy for yourself, because there is no reason to move around much.

The boss will not hit the initial cone twice - meaning it is safe for the rest of the mechanic, and you only need to move in or out a bit. if you stand at the right position, that's like one step every few seconds. great for casters.

See I didn't even know this, I've been playing these with viper, doesn't matter much if I move.
Clearly don't need perfect solutions, this is a way better solution and I've still been clearing np. ^^''

[EiraWoqiso]

You can make that one super easy for yourself, because there is no reason to move around much.

The boss will not hit the initial cone twice - meaning it is safe for the rest of the mechanic, and you only need to move in or out a bit. if you stand at the right position, that's like one step every few seconds. great for casters.

I've yet to see anyone catch onto this when I queue in, it makes PCT uptime soooo nice

[Sida]

But the biggest pain is the change of phase, for example on M3, when you go from the rotating cone and black stuff back to Larian spam.

I admit that part can be a bit annoying. Not entirely because the quick mechanic succession, but because the black puddles are player location based, people panic and cover the whole area with them making it impossible to run across. But the solution in that is based on players. The black puddles could be neatly just in half of the arena if so placed. The solution for that is educate and communicate. The mechanic is fine.

[alfarini]

But Nier glams are so pretty

Then unsync glam farm them. *BIGGEST SMILY FACE*

[jdtuggey]

Then don't queue into them *BIG SMILY FACE*

But Nier glams are so pretty

When you don't want to play the game, you just want to look gucci in limsa with 0 effort. ;o

[Jinglypockets]

When you don't want to play the game, you just want to look gucci in limsa with 0 effort. ;o

There are two types of MMO players:

People who think the gameplay is fun and the rewards are an incentive to do the things they wanted to do anyway.
People who think getting rewards is fun and the gameplay is the cost of getting them.

This isn't a value judgment; I'm personally in group 1, but I know plenty of bad players in group 1 and plenty of great players in group 2, and I have decades-long friendships with people on both sides of this divide.

Still, it has a huge impact on which content you enjoy and why you enjoy it.

[alfarini]

I literally have to recite aloud to myself "left-right-right-left-left" (in French) because otherwise, there is about 0 chance that I'll remember them and get them correctly.

Ok and? I do this to and so do most people. Even top end raiders weather it's said out loud or in your head it's the same thing. It's you solving the problem. Memory games are a small part of the
standard fair in 14. Seriously you had an issue with a mech and you solved it in your own way. That's just basic problem solving, your an adult right? Do you really need your hand held the whole time?

[jdtuggey]

This isn't a value judgment

I have nothing against any of these groups myself, to be clear, it's when the expectations/needs intersect in a bad way like this whole thread, basically, that it gets a little more tense.
I agree with everything you've said there.

[Jinglypockets]

I have nothing against any of these groups myself, to be clear, it's when the expectations/needs intersect in a bad way like this whole thread, basically, that it gets a little more tense.
I agree with everything you've said there.

I also can't imagine any of my friends who are in the "Rewards are the fun part" group making a thread like this.

They don't dislike challenge -- they wouldn't be playing these games if it weren't there -- it's just not what gets up them up in the morning.

Hell, my raid leader in my CE WoW guild is in that second group.