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  1. #1071
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revani View Post
    Nice try.

    The content is optional in the same way the whole expansion is optional. People bought the expansion expecting to engage with the endgame. People hitting DT level cap are players who are current with the game. Suggesting players who stay current aren't interested in endgame is not realistic.

    I can't prove that but I shouldn't need to. Saying "A game for everyone is a game for no one" doesn't make sense. When I say everyone I'm talking about fans of FFXIV not "everyone in the world" and that should have been obvious.
    This is just the "I paid for the expansion so I should get everything in the expansion, therefore locking glams I want behind ultimate completions is gatekeeping me out of content I paid for" discourse all over again but re-worded to be "having content that is too difficult for me personally is gatekeeping me out of content I paid for".
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  2. #1072
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    Gosetsu Daito
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    A picture is worth a thousand words

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  3. #1073
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    Rowan Aarontagdh
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    People who say it's too hard are understandable. FFXIV has terrible difficulty curve, it doesn't teach you how to be better at the game as you play it. There are subcommunities of rpers, socializers, and plotwatchers who really only use the game as a social media platform. They aren't interested in the gameplay beyond clearing mandatory content one time ever.
    The fault is on Squex/CB3, not on them for not getting good, because the game doesn't teach them how to get good.

    In line with wanting glamors and such from content they can't clear, they seem to have forgotten that they are playing a video game, not a 3d avatar chatroom.

    The game lacks reactive gameplay, the healer problem is the perfect example of that. The difficulty is in perfection of execution, memorization of puzzle mechanics with no rng. It's more like studying for and taking a test, like savage raids, and normal content is just the lite version
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    Revani Plaguewielder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane View Post
    I think you missed the point. A large amount of the players who voiced their opinion AREN'T hardcore raiders myself included, the hardcore raiders make up a small amount of the playerbase


    You expect me to believe that you and others here bullying someone for thinking normal is hard have no plans progressing past normal difficulty? Ya'll are transparent and it's embarrassing that you think you're fooling anyone.
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    Gabriel Grymbyrt
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    Someone that didn't reach the content mentioned or is using an alt to post out of cowardice should stay quiet.

    Criticism is not bullying, get a grip.
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    I'm tired

  6. #1076
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    I still think it's wild that some people are acting like Dawntrail content is harder than anything that has come before. It feels like selective recall.
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  7. #1077
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    Quote Originally Posted by JadeCurtiss View Post
    I still think it's wild that some people are acting like Dawntrail content is harder than anything that has come before. It feels like selective recall.
    Some of it definitely is harder than last expansion at least, but a good chunk is just people forgetting what doing things week 1 was like when all the mechanics were new and everyone was close to minimum ilvl.
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  8. #1078
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihka View Post
    Some of it definitely is harder than last expansion at least, but a good chunk is just people forgetting what doing things week 1 was like when all the mechanics were new and everyone was close to minimum ilvl.
    Some of it definitely stems from Endwalker being over simplified across the board. But a lot of content from Heavensward to Shadowbringers is on par with Dawntrail if not harder.
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    Benjo, I lol'd a while after viewing those pics hehe, ty for this. How true, how true hehe
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    "Fanboy is gaming jargon used to describe an individual that has gone beyond the point of being a PC or console game fan and, during online chats or discussions, shifts to defend the program at all costs, unable to take any criticism or acknowledge any shortcomings of the game or gaming console."

  10. #1080
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdtuggey View Post
    I actually agree with this and I'd say most would. It's fine if he's struggling. Hell I'd be willing to sit down and help if I came across someone who has genuine difficulty with this content. I do so on a daily basis with people.
    The problem I see here myself is the attitude ? This belief that it's other people's fault, that this "difficulty increase" will harm the game, the shifting of his personal responsibility, the misrepresentation of people that disagree that the content is too hard, the lack of willingness to put in any effort, the way he speaks about how his only option is to get carried by others if he's gonna do at all... This is the real problem in OP's post I think.

    Think if it was formulated with an open mind in a "I'm struggling and I'm looking for solutions, I feel the game is leaving me behind" way instead of an authoritative statement about how the game is too hard now and it needs to be fixed, he would've never gotten covered by any of these streamers, and he would've probably been swarmed in game with people looking to help. Only genuine trolls would be here putting him down for that, and he'd be right to call them that.

    If he was inclusive and empathized with my perspective, I would with his, but no, he chose to alienate people like me, and when you spit against the wind, well, you know. Personal responsibility, again.
    Exactly, but I already went over it somewhere in, like, 10-20 page of this thread, so I don't expect anyone to follow this hellhole. I am talking about how OP is actively looking for a way to run away from discussion with "my point still stands", yet is still active on this thread, sad about the attention it garnered online and can't see the valid solutions behind people clowning on them (for the right reasons, but still).

    Quote Originally Posted by PurebloodPriscilla View Post
    Sometimes people's opinions are not valid, especially when they stem from someone's active refusal to learn and improve.
    My bad, guess it was poorly worded on my part, what I mean is that they should either learn, take up another type of content or quit. Their feeling are valid in these three choises, but not in actively making the game more braindead than it was before Dawntrail.
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    skill issue.

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