Difficulty of normal content.

[Wasusu]

If after 6 years of playing XIV you find current normal raids too difficult you don't know how to play the game

[mancado22]

Most of you people calling people dumb for not enjoying the difficulty of the content are just a bunch of elitists, who are just selfcentered who can only see things of your own point of view. The MSQ being terrible is already a problem, but now we can't even enjoy the casual content, because we might land in a hard raid or dungeon, wipe 6 times in it because you land in a group where most players are extremely casual, who just want to do their dailies. Does it sound fun? no? oh right, ''just get better'', well you elitists, you forget that the huge majority of the players DON'T want to get better, most of them are casuals who enjoy playing with friends or do their dailies to relax after work.

You know what killed WoW to many players? exactly the type of players like you all elitits, who kept pushing for harder and harder content, to the point where the regular players just couldn't even dream on keeping up with the content and had to content themselves with the ''whatever content''. Perhaps it is time to just unsub and leave FFXIV to the elitits, you can have the trash MSQ and hard content, perhaps once FFXIV lose a huge portion of their players, they may learn something that WoW seems to be learning now. That Casuals are your real customers, not the elitists who wants to ruin the game for everyone else but themselves.

Ah btw. Normal Raid ARE casual content, since they contain lore and story. The non casual content is Savage, Extreme,etc.

[Wasusu]

Catering to the bottom of the barrel isn't healthy for the game either and no, normal raids arent casual content, neither are expert dungeons.
There is enough braindead content in the game, go do that if even the slightest challenge is too much for you.

Or just leave, you won't be missed

[Jinglypockets]

The biggest difference between the "good" Savage raiders and the "bad" casuals struggling through Normal has nothing to do with skill and has everything to do with tolerance for failure.

The #1 most important skill someone needs to kill Savage bosses is the ability to make a mistake, dust themselves off, and try again.
(Tied for #1 is the ability to handle it maturely when someone else makes a mistake)

A huge chunk of the people who feel like they're struggling with the new content and feel like it's too hard are performing better than a lot of the more hardcore players around them. The only difference is that the hardcore players are taking their own mistakes in stride because they know mistakes are inevitable for every player.

[HemlockEvergreen]

The biggest difference between the "good" Savage raiders and the "bad" casuals struggling through Normal has nothing to do with skill and has everything to do with tolerance for failure.

The #1 most important skill someone needs to kill Savage bosses is the ability to make a mistake, dust themselves off, and try again.
(Tied for #1 is the ability to handle it maturely when someone else makes a mistake)

A huge chunk of the people who feel like they're struggling with the new content and feel like it's too hard are performing better than a lot of the more hardcore players around them. The only difference is that the hardcore players are taking their own mistakes in stride because they know mistakes are inevitable for every player.

Exactly this.

FFXIV is not a game that needs twitch reactions, it's all about memorization. If you repeat the fight enough times you can clear pretty much anything.

[Xelanar]

I disaggree. Normal raids and trials look fine to me in terms of difficulty.
Failing a mechanic or dying is not an issue, and it's ok to fail a couple of (or even many) times before understanding and recognizing patterns. Don't go into a new raid expecting to play perfectly from the get-go. Allow yourself to make mistakes. No reasonable person will yell at you for doing something wrong.

If overlapping mechanics are too hard, only focus on one and ignore the other. One mistake will most likely not kill you, and healers tend to look after party members with higher number of vulnerability stacks (at least I do).

These raids are made with a lot of personal responsibility in mind, meaning one person screwing up will not lead to a wipe. As time goes on, more players will learn how to do the fights correctly, leading to less wipes. And to be honest I had no issue clearing fights via duty roulette in the first place. People died, sure, but only once or twice we actually wiped because of too many mistakes.

These raids are casual friendly because individual mistakes do not punish the entire party.

My bet is, many healers out there are also very happy with the increase in difficulty, because mistakes make their job more interesting and keep them on their toes.

Difficulty is and always will be a matter of opinion, and it's impossible to balance content in a way to satisfy everyone. If raids are not fun for you because you deem them to be too hard and not worth the effort to learn, then don't do them. The same way in past expansions people skipped them because they felt they were too boring and braindead to do.

[Nael1337]

I don't even know where I want to start with this:

Okay, there are a few gimmick fights/bosses, e.g the 1st in Tender Valley. He gets you once, maybe twice with his attacks, messing the hitboxes, sure.
But other than that, everything is telegraphed by something very very simple:
"Orange/Red = Bad" - it has been like that for I don't know how many hundred hours, 100 levels.
If you cannot look at the ground and move out of the danger zone in usually 10-15 seconds mostly, I don't know what else to tell you other than that you deserve the hit.

Not to mention every "important" fight does a Mechanic first without really consequences for you to learn and observe.
And before anyone comes at me, yes I did do some Savage content in EW, I did the current EX trials like 30+ times each, I did ultimates.
But that doesn't matter as even in those fights, stuff is clearly and I mean clearly telegraphed by what I stated above but do it again "Orange/Red = Bad"

[CastDeath]

I 1 shoted all four of the fights with randoms, although it was a chaotic experience with about a dozen deaths each time, it was honestly the most fun I've had in a long time. These raids have a higher requirement than just having a pulse. The one mechanic that might seem a tad unfair is the floor mechanic in the first fight but once you understand how it works it is simple to avoid. To be clear I consider myself a casual gamer, I dont do savage raids or ultimates I simply took 30 minutes to learn how my job works and paid attention to the telegraphs in each fight. This sounds like you are just not skilled enough and are blaming the game for it.

[LilithKha]

Most of you people calling people dumb for not enjoying the difficulty of the content are just a bunch of elitists, who are just selfcentered who can only see things of your own point of view.

The lack of self-awareness is quite frankly astounding. You refuse to learn even the basics of the combat system, so you demand that the devs re-lobotomize the game so that you can feel your little sense of accomplishment at putting the triangular prism in the square hole. Go watch the story on youtube if you actually can't be bothered to play a video game after a minimum of around 400 hours logged. There is a large section of the community, in fact some of the most active players, that are not hardcore and simply want content that they find engaging to exist, that they can do weekly without rotting their brains. They finally have that level of content and people like you (a small minority of players that do not actually play the game regularly) are trying to ruin it for them and everyone else. Unsub. I am serious, no one will miss your ilk.

[MakariaZofura]

First of all, I think there must be some issue here that doesn't make sense. IMO this discussion on the forum is 100 times more stressful than anything in Dawntrail at all. Even as you described them, you wiped once or twice - so did I, that is literally normal, ok and expected. It would be strange if you didn't.

This agument, and arguments in general and incredibly stressful things, so whatever is bothering you likely isn't stress. (I do love a good argument, but they are absolutely stressful events.)

I'm worried if this is too much stress for you and you don't like it, how do you find a job? go to school? talk to family members that vote differently than you? drive a car on a freeway? pay your bills? Go shopping and cook dinner?

The point is this level of stress is literally what it means to be human. After six years experince doing literally anything, i'd expect literally anyone to be able to do with a few unexpected twists and turns.

I don't want to pile on or be an asshole, it's more that I'm worried about you. When you logoff, are you ok?

Best,
Mak