Difficulty of normal content.

[VioletCatastrophe]

There are now 730 posts in this thread. 710 of them are not from OP. It's sad to see someone like Arthars raid the official forums just to take down one (1) person he doesn't like. Hundreds of people against one. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this?

I don't even watch Arthars? The only reason I know about this is from a friend of mine talking about this, who found out about the thread from Mr Happy's video. You are accusing me of tribalism, yet you are the one making assumptions about me, why I'm here, and making up some kind of grand conflict. Sometimes it's really just as simple as having a really really bad take on a topic and finally deciding to actually participate in the place that the devs listen to instead of talking about it among friends. The reason you are seeing more people on the forums is simply that more people are realizing that the devs only listen here.

But okay sure it's all one streamer dogpiling someone. It could never possibly be that this take is so horrendously awful that its driving people into their first forum interactions.

[Novarius]

I’d also like to say I’m not here as some pawn of a streamer and I don’t bear OP or anyone else with a conflicting opinion to mine any ill will, I felt compelled to set up a forum account to dispel any misinformation surrounding the new Normal Raids and other casual/normal MSQ content introduced in DT, calling this content unreasonably more difficult than what we’ve seen before is simply not true when I’ve been there and experienced similar content Day 1 in other expansions…

[holydiver1286]

There are now 730 posts in this thread. 710 of them are not from OP. It's sad to see someone like Arthars raid the official forums just to take down one (1) person he doesn't like. Hundreds of people against one. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this?

People are well aware of this post without any streamers bring extra attention to it. From a personal standpoint, the last person I'd be taking advice from or following for any reason is Arthars. And his friend Xeno for that matter.

[Kiurt]

There are now 730 posts in this thread. 710 of them are not from OP. It's sad to see someone like Arthars raid the official forums just to take down one (1) person he doesn't like. Hundreds of people against one. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this?

Obviously content creators made this post kinda "famous".

But people were already disagreeing with OP in the first place and the post had already some traction before.

Also, unlike some of your comments, new players are welcome to the game, even if they skip. All is about attitude. That's also why people got hostile towards OP. If they're willing to learn and take advice, all is good ! If they're getting defensive like OP "I've played this game for 6 years !", obviously people are not gonna be patient with them.

New players are fine, FFXIV won't die because of the shift of combat design. FFXIV, as an online game, needs to change and develop itself. Not stalling the same formula again and again. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The change in boss design (and not game design unlike what you said earlier, or even fundamentals, because fundamentals are the same as before) is in a decent place right now without pushing too much the old engine and being overly difficult for your average casual player.

[Novarius]

I do find it interesting that the vast majority of people in this thread are content or happy with the rebalanced difficulty of DT content, yet OP says this sample size is not representative of the community at large. Even if there is a silent majority who aren’t happy with the changes the operative word is “silent” clearly many people are happy with the current status quo or there would be more of an outcry over this return to form with the current difficulty of normal/casual content. I think it’s more likely that a vocal minority is making a a mountain out of a molehill so to speak.

[JowyAtreides]

I don't think this was any more difficult than we've had in previous expansions' raids upon release to be honest.

Use and abuse of non standard telegraphs.

I'd say the vast majority of normal raids, upon release, has mechanics only really seen in that raid, this is no different.

Nasty mechanic overlaps, stuff you would see on extreme and harder fights.

Mechanics are shown one at a time and overlap, this is normal.
Extreme and harder fights don't give you this luxury and throw you right in with overlapping or even completely different mechanics

-Mechs resolving too quickly for the mental capacity they demand to process.
-One too many "catch this!" mech (mechs that have you running around like headless chicken evading seemingly random patterns).

Addressing both of these at once because the mental capacity of players will adapt once they learn the fights, if you want it easy on day 1, it will become face-rollable after 7 attempts, this is bad design.

I genuinely think people just forget what it's like to get something new to do, because it's been the best part of a year since we've had any content to speak of.

TLDR

Run it, get better gear, watch the mechanics, adapt, overcome and proceed.

[TheFrogMan]

Not reading 73 pages of comments.

If the content wasn't casual every mechanic would have a fail state that would wipe the whole party or instantly kill you.
You can survive multiple failed mechanics in these normal raids and even extremes. There are no DPS checks in normal raids or MSQ, and in Extremes it's so easy to skip mechanics and never see enrage just by doing 123 and face roll.

It is baffling to even think that others might agree with OP, and I can't even imagine why. Is it some damaged ego each time you get a vuln and you're so anxiety ridden and pathetic to acknowledge it as a learning opportunity to improve? Do you have no pride in yourself as a player in anything?

I went from starting the game in SHB 5.2, looking up guides for each dungeon and asking for advice after each dungeon on what I could have done better as a tank, to clearing savage raids, all savage criterion, and all ultimate raids. Thinking you're stuck at the level you're at and then grasping at everyone trying to bring them down to your level just so you look better is sad.

Throw some elbow grease into it for the love of Hydaelyn.

[AurisNix]

There are now 730 posts in this thread. 710 of them are not from OP. It's sad to see someone like Arthars raid the official forums just to take down one (1) person he doesn't like. Hundreds of people against one. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this?

Yeah why some FFXIV players are like this? Everything is just to blame some random streamer but ppl cant have their opinion or disagree with the poor ppl that just want a validation I didn't even knew Arthars reacted to this and im sure alot of ppl that posted here didn't know either, am I surprised that he reacted? well absolutely no cuz this deserves to be reacted, cuz yeah at some point it got hilarious and totally crazy how learning to play the game is an actual issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see more streamers reacting to this and disagreeing with the game being too hard.

[JowyAtreides]

I'd challenge the OP to go into older, familiar normal raids, at minimum ilvl (because face it, this is what we all are right now until we gear up), and see exactly how the difficulty compares.

I think you'll probably find it's a bit more of a challenge than you remember.

[JadeCurtiss]

I'd challenge the OP to go into older, familiar normal raids, at minimum ilvl (because face it, this is what we all are right now until we gear up), and see exactly how the difficulty compares.

I think you'll probably find it's a bit more of a challenge than you remember.

People still wipe half the time on Soul of the Creator in roulettes.