Difficulty of normal content.

[Novarius]

I do remember you making a pointless comment about you eating breakfast when someone replied to you, instead of just waiting until after you’d finish eating and replying civilly I’d consider that pretty rude and petty… it’s not like they were demanding a reply from you…

Back on topic I think the design language of these Normal Raids was very strong, some of the telegraphs/tells were even recycled from previous fights and those that were new communicated what was going to happen pretty well e.g. M1’s attack that launches a player onto another tile and those that weren’t immediately obvious became clearer after seeing the first demonstration e.g. how M1 boss doesn’t turn when teleporting to do the R/L cleave or cardinal/intercardinal cleaves

[Kiurt]

I wouldn't worry about it. From the time of his tweet when Arthars streamed this thread it must have been between by pages 5-8, and then tweeted about it, and then uploaded the clip to youtube, and then twitted again. And another creator uploaded a video of not this thread but the one about dungeons specifically. And then this was linked in 4chan.
The grand majority of the people on the last 50+ pages were agitated by a streamer or are just trolls. Just look at the staggering number of Jul 2024 - 1 post comments.

I do agree that you got a lot of toxic comments. These are not fine.

You're also part of the problem.

Yet again, you didn't get the validation you were looking for, so you've been blaming it on everybody else (and especially streamers) rather than asking the right question, that maybe, just maybe, you might be in the wrong ?

You seem to be a very self-centered person. People were willing to give you tips, you were ignoring them, even worse than that, you used the mighty "I have been playing for 6 years, I'm fine !" as an argument.

You're not a hardcore player we get it.

You're not a midcore player we get it.

You're also not a casual player. They do adapt and clear dungeons and raids just fine (and extreme/some of savages if they're interested in that type of content despite having little time to play). Wanna know why ? They learn. They ask. They try. They overcome.

You have been ignoring people wanting to help you, giving you arguments. You seem to care only for what makes the water flow your way, judging by your comments and reactions.

That's why I earlier said you were toxic in your own way.
Things going back to EW levels of boss designs will just end up killing the game. Bosses aren't more difficult in Dawntrail, they're designed in a way that you have to pay attention, like WoL in ShB, Shinryu at release when people were using leveling gear. Or even Thunger God in Orbonne before the nerfs. It's ok to die, as long as you learn, it's ok aswell for other people to die and learn, not everyone learn things at the same speed. And yes, you're not alone in a raid, that is called an MMO. If people are learning slower than you, maybe ask them if they need some tips. If you're fine with you failing and learning, but not the others, then the genre isn't for you.

[holydiver1286]

I have very few posts. I think I've only commented on one post before in the entire 10 years I've been playing this game. That doesn't matter even in the least. I literally decided to make the rare effort to login to these forums specifically to reply to your post because it's just such a bad take. There wasn't even a need to watch a streamer to figure that out. When you have this many comments all giving you the advice to actually learn how to play the game, that's saying something. If you've been playing as long as you say you have, and have seen these style of mechanics over and over and over again but say they're too hard, that means you have completely refused to learn and/or pay any attention to anything. Are some people rude with how they reply? Sure, but they're not wrong in the idea of what they're saying. You have years of "experience" playing the game, you're level 100, and this is optional content. You have the option of not doing it. As I mentioned in my previous comment, there's other people that join XIV, sometimes level/story skip meaning they don't have any lengthy learning opportunities like you have, and are trying savage or ultimate within a month. It's all about how much effort you put into it. Also you're confusing what casual means. Casual does not mean brain dead easy. It means that the content can be cleared by any group without the need for voice chat or extra coordination of any kind with random people. The normal raids certainly fall within that category. Anyone can clear these fights and most do on their first attempt from all the runs that I've seen or been in. Learn from dying to things. Oh no, you died? Get back up and try it again, learning from what killed you and to not do that again. You don't lose anything from dying other than a little time. If you want an enemy that just sits there and lets you beat them down without having to do anything, go fight a random monster in the world or a striking dummy. If you still refuse to learn from everything said here, maybe this game, or at the very least optional content, just isn't for you. There's nothing wrong with that. But you actively refusing to learn how to play and then saying that it's the game's fault is just insane.

[ZUZ]

seeing your edit on the original post is funny. I'm not sure why you think mentioning content creators invalidates all the positive comments about the difficulty of normal content in DT. this thread was already popular with many pages disagreeing with the original post before streamers talked about it.

nothing in the new normal raids require any strategy. it's quite literally the perfect amount of punishing for normal content. especially one with currently the highest item level gear currently available. over time, these raids will become easier with gear and increased player knowledge.

[NanaWiloh]

I am just puzzled how anyone can screw up enough to die multiple times on Honey B. The heart mechanic with all the crap puddles I can see a problem but rest of her mechanics are straight forward.

[Yuella]

I watched several streamers do normal raid and they all cleared. So no, it's not too hard.

[Fedase]

I really do not like talking in forums, but I want Square Enix to see that I aprove of their difficulty raise.
Now, I struggle with anxiety myself and causing a wipe doesn't feel great to me, but that doesn't mean that any boss should be a dummy so you wouldn't feel bad dying to it. Normal content still can be cleared within a few wipes and making it any easier will make mine and a lot of other people experience with a game worse.
In my fc chat and discord I have never seen a person that would struggle too much with a curent normal content or be unhappy with difficulty of said content, but unfortunately most of those people wouldn't go to forums and their feelings will be invisible to SE.
I do resepect feeling of those who struggle with normal content, we all want game to be fun for us. But that is why I don't want SE make a game less fun for me.

[Siritachi31]

First of all, You clearly don't even know about the difficulty from ARR to Heavensward. Almost killed the raiding scene on launch. My friend you are welcome to not do the content, but I know people who never raid outside of normal raids and trials. Never touched extremes or anything who can and have done this raid tier no issue and enjoyed it heavily. The game did spike in mechanics and things since Endwalker that was their plan. Alot of fights felt stagnant and too idential, most fights used the same mechanics and had a few slight changes. Dawntrail literally is overhauling how fights play out and you are literally asking them to return to past fights where everything felt the same and got boring fast. You are complaining over good things, they aren't even bad changes. Even with the new fights they are casual, Valigarmanda normal is not that bad, you're meant to fail, mess up and learn. That's literally their philosophy on combat. If you are thinking people need to be perfect as soon as you load in you need to swap games it really sounds like you want perfection out the gate

[thordan_inss]

u can learn bro

but talking serious here, u are refusing to learn the basics of the game, u are playing for 6 years right? u have seen almost everything in mechanical terms, NOTHING in this new raid series is completly new, its just a bit faster, put some effort in ur gameplay and u will be good

[MaaryZeleste]

You should really head over to WoW. They love super toxic people.

You should really head over to Club Penguin or Habbo Hotel.