Difficulty of normal content.

[Kiurt]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

I do agree that some comments were a bit over the line.

But so was OP on some of his answers, but not the same "toxicity" that people were in their comments.

To be honest, I kinda hate how the word "Casual" is wrongly used on both sides (and also used as an argument), on one end thinking casual doesn't want this type of content, and on the other end casuals that can't use their hands and wants everything to cater to them. Being a casual doesn't mean that you can't play or learn to play the game, enjoy the current dungeons/trials/raids, learn your class and all that stuff. A casual doesn't necesserily stands in town talking to people and just doing roulettes.

Also saw the argument that if you do not agree, you just want the game to cater to you and do not care about anyone else, which can also be used from both sides.

The video itself doesn't simply mock OP. Some points are kinda relevant, especially since these points are also in the comments here, but they seem to have been either ignored by OP or "disappeared" between "git gud"

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

I do agree that some comments were a bit over the line.

But so was OP on some of his answers, but not the same "toxicity" that people were in their comments.

To be honest, I kinda hate how the word "Casual" is wrongly used on both sides (and also used as an argument), on one end thinking casual doesn't want this type of content, and on the other end casuals that can't use their hands and wants everything to cater to them. Being a casual doesn't mean that you can't play or learn to play the game, enjoy the current dungeons/trials/raids, learn your class and all that stuff. A casual doesn't necesserily stands in town talking to people and just doing roulettes.

Also saw the argument that if you do not agree, you just want the game to cater to you and do not care about anyone else, which can also be used from both sides.

The video itself doesn't simply mock OP. Some points are kinda relevant, especially since these points are also in the comments here, but they seem to have been either ignored by OP or "disappeared" between "git gud"

The problem is that they DO want things to cater to them, and it damages the game at large. I mean look at EW, they admitted (SE), that they dummed it down because they listened too much...like? We all have to be punished because some people cannot put in the time and effort to actually learn content? That is fair?

[Kiurt]

The problem is that they DO want things to cater to them, and it damages the game at large. I mean look at EW, they admitted (SE), that they dummed it down because they listened too much...like? We all have to be punished because some people cannot put in the time and effort to actually learn content? That is fair?

I do agree that EW was way over the line in the "brain off" fighting. Tower of Zot was fine tho, everything else ? Failure. And Criterion being difficult doesn't make it interesting. People here complaining are confusing ENGAGING and DIFFICULT. TOP was difficult, and yet wasn't really interesting.

Also I remember everyone being hyped when they first saw Tower of Zot. And were expecting things to be more interesting with all the added sustain to tanks. Oh boy...

I do enjoy the current content designs in Dawntrail that doesn't stop at "Half-room slash" "Stacks/Spread" "Dodge puddles". And they should keep going this way.

[Volgia]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

To me this reads as another problem with FF over people not knowing how to deal with conflict. I haven't found any of these spectucularly rude or toxic. It's just people arguing over something they disagree with.

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

I'm going to say this in the most respectful way possible, but because of posts like OP, SE HAS listened before and HAS dumbed down the content. The reality is, the new raids being hard is not a community-wide opinion, because they are not difficult. Complacency is literally what has caused so many to leave this game. Sure, we have ultimates and savage, but OP has not done savage or ultimate from the looks of it, because the clear jump of difficulty from normal raids to Savage/Ultimate is...I mean do I need to explain this?

The entitlement that "I should be able to do everything and if it is too hard they need to change it because I CANNOT DO IT" is bratty and quite honestly toxic in itself. I'm sorry but not everything is for everybody, not every job should be able to be played by everybody, not all raids, normal or savage, should be completed by everybody, especially those who do not care in the slightest to learn and progress to clear. If this trend continues and SE makes changes, it will damage the game. In my honest opinion, SE needs to be a bit more harsh on listening to casual players, because listening to players who DO NOT play the game in its entirety, or care to learn and work towards playing the game better, is a problem. SE needs to listen to the midcore/hardcore crowd, and work their way down. Because I think people think that "new things" means "hard", when, if OP has been playing for so long, they would see how many recycled mechanics we got in DT, and how it is just a new flare on old stuff. IDK how one can claim to have played since Stormblood, and think this is harder? Like...come on. Stormblood had some hands, especially in the trials which I think a few were harder on normal than the current normal raid tier.

This unfair to the community as a whole, and while this thread could be viewed as "toxic", I think its a conversation that needs to happen, and not everybody is going to like what they read/hear, but the reality is they need to hear it, and either get good (I mean this in the most respectful way), or don't play an MMO that has battle content, that is the honest to god truth.

[Mizore11]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

There have been more than enough people answering the OP why his take is not good. Did u read his responses tho? He literally doesnt care at all. He thinks hes representing the "casual" players, which he doesnt. Hes part of a minority accusing people of forcing what they pref on people like him while literally doing the same. Also since Arthars made a video bout this he acts like a child.

In the end hes ignorant and doesnt understand where he is wrong or he is not even willing to.

He never wanted to discuss with people not sharing his view, which he clearly stated already. Ofc people are getting upset. What do you expect?

Please dont waste your time defending him.

[Infindox]

I don't think Shinryu got nerfed. Back when SB released, a lot of people was trying to do Shinryu without getting their class gear, which helped a lot at the time of release.

(Just replying to yours because it was the newest)

Shinryu wasn't nerfed, it was because most people when they got to that fight had really bad gear on (mostly whatever they picked up from dungeons) and we didn't have the job gear back then like we do now. I remember having to make a PF for that fight just to beat Stormblood; I enjoyed the fight, but never had to do that since and kinda glad I don't.

Yep that’s why I stopped playing. I play casually The story was boring and the content was dead easy. I skipped the extremes in 6.0. Coming back to Dawn Trails it’s even worse. The story is boring and the activities during main story are incredibly dull. Cutscene, click on 3 of those and cutscene. Talk to that guy, cutscene. I wish I skipped all of it.

The dungeon bosses in 7.0 are a bit more refreshing but the whole game is incredibly boring. There’s nothing to work for. Everything is given to you and the way to obtain things are boring.

6.0 relic weapons were the worst. No challenge at all. On top of that I noticed they nurfed the Ascian Prime boss and the moogles hard mode. Which were my 2 favorite bosses to daily.

This game isn't for you then. I can find something to do literally every day I log on, and actually challenging content or at least content I need to pay attention. There's always something to work towards. Though I will agree on the 6.0 relic weapons, they were really bad. Nothing to them.

[RezPls]

Shinryu wasn't nerfed, it was because most people when they got to that fight had really bad gear on (mostly whatever they picked up from dungeons) and we didn't have the job gear back then like we do now. I remember having to make a PF for that fight just to beat Stormblood; I enjoyed the fight, but never had to do that since and kinda glad I don't.

We did have job gear at that level, the level 70 job quest literally hands you a full set of job AF AND a job AF weapon. You just decided to ignore the game telling you every 2 levels to do your quests. Wish the game refused to let you continue on a quest unless you had your full job AF on, since placing you in front of the job AF vendor for the past 3 expansions also doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

The only expansion where (on launch) we didn't go into the final expansion dungeon and trial with AF gear was HW; since we got that AF as the first set of raid tome gear.

[Infindox]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

Because people are actually getting what they wanted (harder content) and there's always going to be someone of the people who play this game as a dress up simulator and want everything handed to them to make everything easier, instead of actually trying to learn the mechanics. (There's something to be said of checking said mechanics so that disabled people have a chance, but that's a different topic).