Difficulty of normal content.

[talloran]

Yay! Another "get good" hero. The M+ forums are calling for you friend. Go... find your people...

Literally a get good issue. The current normal raid is not hard.

[Carin-Eri]

You should stop sheltering lazy people who don't want to bother on even trying to learn a new mechanic. You don't think people like OP are toxic? They literally confessed griecing the fight by staying dead on the ground. Stop trying to throw the word "toxic" at people who tell you to get a good a the game.

But that's not what the OP said. They said "The Honey B fight had me wishing for the healer to not raise me, I was there in the floor, dead for the Nth time, thinking that I don't really want to be on that duty."
It's somewhat open to interpretation, but they didn't actually say they did remain dead on the ground - only that they wished they had.

[talloran]

But that's not what the OP said. They said "The Honey B fight had me wishing for the healer to not raise me, I was there in the floor, dead for the Nth time, thinking that I don't really want to be on that duty."
It's somewhat open to interpretation, but they didn't actually say they did remain dead on the ground - only that they wished they had.

Does it matter? OP clearly is complaining about a content they do not want to do. They should not be listened regarding the current raid tier.

[talloran]

I will post on the trenches of this forum until OP publicly apologizes for the terrible opinions they have.

[Alyx-Greywind]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

These replies are all over the Forums, I've been trying to offer up counter points but there are so many replies that have just spiralled out of control. At this point I wouldn't be sad if the whole post got locked due to excessive flaming, trolling and rudeness.

[Kiurt]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

I do agree that some comments were a bit over the line.

But so was OP on some of his answers, but not the same "toxicity" that people were in their comments.

To be honest, I kinda hate how the word "Casual" is wrongly used on both sides (and also used as an argument), on one end thinking casual doesn't want this type of content, and on the other end casuals that can't use their hands and wants everything to cater to them. Being a casual doesn't mean that you can't play or learn to play the game, enjoy the current dungeons/trials/raids, learn your class and all that stuff. A casual doesn't necesserily stands in town talking to people and just doing roulettes.

Also saw the argument that if you do not agree, you just want the game to cater to you and do not care about anyone else, which can also be used from both sides.

The video itself doesn't simply mock OP. Some points are kinda relevant, especially since these points are also in the comments here, but they seem to have been either ignored by OP or "disappeared" between "git gud"

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

I do agree that some comments were a bit over the line.

But so was OP on some of his answers, but not the same "toxicity" that people were in their comments.

To be honest, I kinda hate how the word "Casual" is wrongly used on both sides (and also used as an argument), on one end thinking casual doesn't want this type of content, and on the other end casuals that can't use their hands and wants everything to cater to them. Being a casual doesn't mean that you can't play or learn to play the game, enjoy the current dungeons/trials/raids, learn your class and all that stuff. A casual doesn't necesserily stands in town talking to people and just doing roulettes.

Also saw the argument that if you do not agree, you just want the game to cater to you and do not care about anyone else, which can also be used from both sides.

The video itself doesn't simply mock OP. Some points are kinda relevant, especially since these points are also in the comments here, but they seem to have been either ignored by OP or "disappeared" between "git gud"

The problem is that they DO want things to cater to them, and it damages the game at large. I mean look at EW, they admitted (SE), that they dummed it down because they listened too much...like? We all have to be punished because some people cannot put in the time and effort to actually learn content? That is fair?

[Kiurt]

The problem is that they DO want things to cater to them, and it damages the game at large. I mean look at EW, they admitted (SE), that they dummed it down because they listened too much...like? We all have to be punished because some people cannot put in the time and effort to actually learn content? That is fair?

I do agree that EW was way over the line in the "brain off" fighting. Tower of Zot was fine tho, everything else ? Failure. And Criterion being difficult doesn't make it interesting. People here complaining are confusing ENGAGING and DIFFICULT. TOP was difficult, and yet wasn't really interesting.

Also I remember everyone being hyped when they first saw Tower of Zot. And were expecting things to be more interesting with all the added sustain to tanks. Oh boy...

I do enjoy the current content designs in Dawntrail that doesn't stop at "Half-room slash" "Stacks/Spread" "Dodge puddles". And they should keep going this way.

[Volgia]

What a mean-spirited thread this has become!

Okay, so the OP committed the cardinal sin of both saying that they find the new content difficult AND expressing the opinion that SE should review that. A demonstrably unpopular opinion that has prompted 40 pages of aggressive replies from players who don't seem able to make a point without resorting to passive-aggression and insults.

I mean, I realise that everyone who took offense at the OP for posting such an unforgivable thread is desperate to put the point across that they disagree through fear that SE might actually listen, but I think the point has been made now! Forty pages of aggression and insults, and a damn YouTube video mocking the OP, pretty much made the point. It's just getting ridiculous now!

I mean, these forums have never exactly been sunshine and daisies but when did it become this toxic?!

To me this reads as another problem with FF over people not knowing how to deal with conflict. I haven't found any of these spectucularly rude or toxic. It's just people arguing over something they disagree with.

[Jakoh_Leieiko]

I'm going to say this in the most respectful way possible, but because of posts like OP, SE HAS listened before and HAS dumbed down the content. The reality is, the new raids being hard is not a community-wide opinion, because they are not difficult. Complacency is literally what has caused so many to leave this game. Sure, we have ultimates and savage, but OP has not done savage or ultimate from the looks of it, because the clear jump of difficulty from normal raids to Savage/Ultimate is...I mean do I need to explain this?

The entitlement that "I should be able to do everything and if it is too hard they need to change it because I CANNOT DO IT" is bratty and quite honestly toxic in itself. I'm sorry but not everything is for everybody, not every job should be able to be played by everybody, not all raids, normal or savage, should be completed by everybody, especially those who do not care in the slightest to learn and progress to clear. If this trend continues and SE makes changes, it will damage the game. In my honest opinion, SE needs to be a bit more harsh on listening to casual players, because listening to players who DO NOT play the game in its entirety, or care to learn and work towards playing the game better, is a problem. SE needs to listen to the midcore/hardcore crowd, and work their way down. Because I think people think that "new things" means "hard", when, if OP has been playing for so long, they would see how many recycled mechanics we got in DT, and how it is just a new flare on old stuff. IDK how one can claim to have played since Stormblood, and think this is harder? Like...come on. Stormblood had some hands, especially in the trials which I think a few were harder on normal than the current normal raid tier.

This unfair to the community as a whole, and while this thread could be viewed as "toxic", I think its a conversation that needs to happen, and not everybody is going to like what they read/hear, but the reality is they need to hear it, and either get good (I mean this in the most respectful way), or don't play an MMO that has battle content, that is the honest to god truth.