Dawntrail's 8-man raid discussion

[Rokke]

Waaaay better than I expected! The honey bee fight was my favorite, both mechanically and the overall visuals/music. Love that the announcer is voiced, its such a cute little thing that actually makes it feel like a tournament

[EdwinChucklenuts]

Waaaay better than I expected! The honey bee fight was my favorite, both mechanically and the overall visuals/music. Love that the announcer is voiced, its such a cute little thing that actually makes it feel like a tournament

And that they actually react to shit like people dying, LB being used, etc. I've been enjoying the reactive commentary this expansion like when Gulool asks if we've ever seen viper style/comments on us knowing viper style depending on if you'd levelled one yet.

[justausername]

It sucks ASS as a melee. First time I've ever considered swapping to ranged. It's not even about the hitbox size. They just move WAY too much. Screw positionals. Even True North can't save you.
I'll do it once a week to get my shit, but if I get it in roulettes otherwise I'll be leaving.

[hydralus]

It sucks ASS as a melee. First time I've ever considered swapping to ranged. It's not even about the hitbox size. They just move WAY too much. Screw positionals. Even True North can't save you.
I'll do it once a week to get my shit, but if I get it in roulettes otherwise I'll be leaving.

I admit, I was just doing some sad meditation over in the safe-zone on the final boss as she destroys the floor and stands off in Can't-hit-me land for 10 seconds.

[mallleable]

Really impressed with these raids! I look forward to what kind of nonsense they do in savage. The story is also a ton of fun!

[Isala]

Storywise, I also find it stupid that my WoL suddenly lowers herself to arena fighting.

The Blue Mage that is my WoL not only lowers herself, but wishes she'd get more opportunities to knock some heads.

[Toutatis]

The Blue Mage that is my WoL not only lowers herself, but wishes she'd get more opportunities to knock some heads.

Blue mage is a complete side game. Raids are expected in every expansion and normally bring a complement to the main experience but this brings absolutely nothing to the story. I guess it's in line with MSQ where you do a lot of quests that don't advance the plot. The Blue Mage arena is also not vulgar WWE style.

[Turtledeluxe]

I don't care much about that comparison tbh. Just because I had a good steak doesn't mean from then on it's impossible to enjoy a burger. DT's msq sucks wasn't because it's not a steak, but because it's a VERY bad burger by itself. I didn't come into DT expecting a steak, I know I was promised a burger, and the raid tier is decent burger. If I go about comparing every meal I ate to the single best of my life, I think that would be miserable for me.

I just don't think they're successful at making this a burger. The premise is non existent. If you're holding it against DT, then hold it against this story. There's no reason for our WoL to do or care about this outside being an adventurer.

People say Wuk Lamat is Naruto. And? These are all human npcs with the same personalities except less Naruto and more DBZ, down to the "now you'll face my sister" final act.

A disease is supposed to make me interested in what's next? We are in the middle of a technological paradise where no one can even die.

Visuals, music, encounter design carry the raid. And as someone noted, these fights do feel a tad homogenous with the very frequent half room cleaving.

[Zaniel]

It sucks ASS as a melee. First time I've ever considered swapping to ranged. It's not even about the hitbox size. They just move WAY too much. Screw positionals. Even True North can't save you.
I'll do it once a week to get my shit, but if I get it in roulettes otherwise I'll be leaving.

Opposite to me, better than sitting still in one spot versus a target marker the size of the arena and mechanics that take a week to resolve. The fights are designed to be chaotic and non-maximum uptime, the better you are at playing the higher your DPS will be. Isn't that what people have been asking for?

[EusisLandale]

A disease is supposed to make me interested in what's next? We are in the middle of a technological paradise where no one can even die.

The fact that the disease, or rather how they go about hiding it, involves actually letting these people die for real is part of the hook. They're specifically detached from the Endless system, not that it actually works anymore, in order to keep people in the dark about how these people are dying because everyone remembers them so clearly they're just living it up in retirement somewhere.