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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Same, it's fun.

    Am I the only Dancer who didn't appreciate having to fish for Fan Dances during my burst? I like that for filler, but I want my burst to be consistent. Now it is.
    I don’t really see the benefit of a proc job who builds towards a burst that basically ignores procs
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I don’t really see the benefit of a proc job who builds towards a burst that basically ignores procs
    You can save your fans for burst just like before, the big difference is you can get an extra Saber dance off during downtime, since you're guaranteed to get one from Tillana. The procs still matter, you just don't have to use your weaker combo skills to fish for them in burst now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    You can save your fans for burst just like before, the big difference is you can get an extra Saber dance off during downtime, since you're guaranteed to get one from Tillana. The procs still matter, you just don't have to use your weaker combo skills to fish for them in burst now.
    The procs don't matter in burst at all since you can't use them. You just ignore flourish procs in burst and not using them means you aren't gaining any new feathers in burst either
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    Consistent burst was also not what DNC was about, there's mch for that. Also going into burst without any combo or procs because they'll expire is kinda hard and very annoying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzz96 View Post
    The procs don't matter in burst at all since you can't use them. You just ignore flourish procs in burst and not using them means you aren't gaining any new feathers in burst either
    The Flourish procs still matter in burst because sometimes you get bad luck with Espirit. It's less likely to happen now, but it can still happen. In EW, it felt awful when you only got 2 Saber Dances during your burst. That has been resolved, and the Flourish procs are a redundency in case you just don't get Espirit.

    The job has evolved, stop trying to treat it like it was in EW.
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  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanzz96 View Post
    Consistent burst was also not what DNC was about, there's mch for that. Also going into burst without any combo or procs because they'll expire is kinda hard and very annoying
    An inconsistent burst was the biggest problem with EW Dancer, because sometimes you just couldn't contribute good damage because Espirit was being difficult. The second biggest problem was how boring the time between bursts was. Both of these have been fixed.

    I'd agree that Tillana should just give "Dance of the Dawn Ready" or something like that, but acting like the job is fundamentally different is a huge overreaction, imo. It's just been, for the most part, fixed.
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  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    An inconsistent burst was the biggest problem with EW Dancer, because sometimes you just couldn't contribute good damage because Espirit was being difficult. The second biggest problem was how boring the time between bursts was. Both of these have been fixed.

    I'd agree that Tillana should just give "Dance of the Dawn Ready" or something like that, but acting like the job is fundamentally different is a huge overreaction, imo. It's just been, for the most part, fixed.
    That’s kinda the core of the problem

    What’s the point of a proc job who has a consistent burst that doesn’t rely on its procs

    If my job centres on procs then I assume my performance will vary each run by my proc luck
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Same, it's fun.

    Am I the only Dancer who didn't appreciate having to fish for Fan Dances during my burst? I like that for filler, but I want my burst to be consistent. Now it is.
    Apples and Oranges.

    There were many other jobs whose burst phase being mostly consistent. I liked the inconsistency of DNC's burst in EW and prior. If I wanted something else more consistent, I would pick a different job. But SE hates variances so.... guess that has to die now lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Apples and Oranges.

    There were many other jobs whose burst phase being mostly consistent. I liked the inconsistency of DNC's burst in EW and prior. If I wanted something else more consistent, I would pick a different job. But SE hates variances so.... guess that has to die now lol.
    This is pretty much how I feel
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    Lucie Bonney
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    I wanted to main dancer this expansion, yes i know my damage will be garbage but i didnt expect this kinda garbage. At level 100..its just spam this and that...went back to monk as my dmg class instantly.
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