7.0 DNC is awful compared to EW

[Hanzz96]

The current state or DNC compared to it's previous EW equivalent is horrible and feels awful to play.

DNC is supposed to be a priority based reaction job and resource managment was a huge part of it.

In DT DNC now has 5 set GCD's that must be in burst leaving only 3 GCD's to use esprit on saber dances. All of the resource and proc managment is gone as now instead of pooling resources for burst and adjusting according to proc RNG DNC can no longer carry anything into burst to the point where you have to use all your procs at least a GCD before burst and saber dance before technical step so you go in combo neutral because if you go into buffs with even a combo'd fountain it will fall off resulting in lost potency since there are now so many set GCD's and using procs and combo in burst is now a huge dps lose.

Dumping everything just isn't fun and not managing procs in burst because they don't do enough damage to take priority doesn't feel good. Flourish is only used in burst to proc finishing move and fan dance 3 & 4.

The Tillana changes are insane, removing the standard step refresh from Tillana makes level 90 ultimates a nightmare.

This problem of dancer having no instant ss refresh in TOP and DSR suddenly isn't helped by the fact that all our single target GCD's were nerfed below level 94 so DNC overall feels awful in old ultimates.

The other problem with Tillana is the big obvious one. Making it grant 50 esprit was insane. Technical finish makes the dancer gain esprit from the whole party and adding an extra 50 to that along with only having 3 GCD's to use this esprit under buffs is leading to insane over capping issues. One again I want to mention the combos and procs expiring during burst because even if we did press them and they weren't a dps lose they couldn't fit in the technical/devilemnt window anyway because those 3 GCD's DNC has free needs to dump this crazy excess of esprit we suddenly have.

Buffing standard step to the moon was a bad move. Having to use it exactly on cooldown takes away even more flexibility from DNC and means that the job can no longer benefit from skill speed optimisation like in EW.

Overall DNC needs to be fixed all of the flexibility the job was loved for has been stripped away

[GrizzlyTank]

I don't get why one of our 90+ rewards is to straight up remove half of the gimmick on standard step. You know the fun part of the job.

Couldn't we have gotten a stack, shorter cooldown, another step or damage when the correct button is triggered instead?

Also personally would have preferred if DNC's GCD was lower across the board.

[Hanzz96]

You mean finishing move? Having an instant refresh is 100% needed in high end content which is why the Tilana changes are so bad at level 90.

Like hit steps however much you want but an instant refresh especially after ulti downtime/ phase transition is vital. TOP & DSR on DNC are unplayable without Tilana refresh atm. DNC feels like crap in 90 ultis

[RocciaSolida]

I agree on everything, you go into your burst and suddenly your hotbar is all lit up. It looks terrible and plays terrible since you're pretty much just using your mandatory GCDs and spending the rest on SDs.
Having to dump all of your esprit before Technical also feels terrible and even if you do it, depending on procs, the risk of overcapping it during the burst is always there

[Sacae]

New Dancer is fantastic, no clue what you're on about. The job is actually a bit busy between bursts now, and you don't have to hoard a Saber Dance anymore for the burst, because Last Dance has equal potency and you can get 1-2 off each burst, and Finishing Move outdamages it, and you'll get a guaranteed proc with Tillana. So you can use your Saber Dances between bursts. The job flows fantastically.

[Sacae]

Actually, one complaint. The 2.5 cooldown after Tillana feels bad in the opening, when you don't have fans to fill it yet. You don't really notice in subsequent bursts, but it's a bit awkward at the beginning.

[Hanzz96]

I don't know what dancer you're playing but can you share with the class?

Yes theres more buttons to press during odd minutes but not having procs in burst takes away from the reaction aspect of dnc, managing what procs you have and doing the best you can with your RNG.

Having 5 set GCD's out of 8 is boring and takes away any skill expression. If i wanted static burst I'd stick to MCH.

We have less feathers in burst because we aren't hitting procs for new ones which isn't fun.

The esprit overcap issue from Tillana is crazy and going into tech proc and combo neutral or having combo fall off because its a dps lose is bad design. You are the only person I've heard of who likes new DNC

[Sacae]

I don't know what dancer you're playing but can you share with the class?

Yes theres more buttons to press during odd minutes but not having procs in burst takes away from the reaction aspect of dnc, managing what procs you have and doing the best you can with your RNG.

Having 5 set GCD's out of 8 is boring and takes away any skill expression. If i wanted static burst I'd stick to MCH.

We have less feathers in burst because we aren't hitting procs for new ones which isn't fun.

The esprit overcap issue from Tillana is crazy and going into tech proc and combo neutral or having combo fall off because its a dps lose is bad design. You are the only person I've heard of who likes new DNC

Most people here haven't discussed Dancer *at all,* which, in my experience, denotes universal praise, given this forum's usually kneejerk reaction to literally anything.

[Hanzz96]

I know many fellow dancer mains who are very unhappy with how it plays in high end content at the moment, including myself. EW DNC was about adjusting and being flexible. Another forced 2.5 static burst and you may as well play mch or even brd with its strict song rotation

[BigCheez]

New Dancer is fantastic, no clue what you're on about. The job is actually a bit busy between bursts now, and you don't have to hoard a Saber Dance anymore for the burst, because Last Dance has equal potency and you can get 1-2 off each burst, and Finishing Move outdamages it, and you'll get a guaranteed proc with Tillana. So you can use your Saber Dances between bursts. The job flows fantastically.

Pressing buttons isn't inherently interesting. I think a lot of people find the job more boring now because you don't need to pay attention to resources, you just press the shiny buttons.