Did tanks really need more healing

[Ramiee]

Setting aside the terrible DPS kits for all the tanks, why have the 2 minutes defense buffs all get an extra upgrade outside of defense buff?
Did warrior really need another way to regen with its 30 cd benediction in dungeons wouldn't upgrading the counter attack damage make far more sense. I think only Dark Knight needed a self sustain upgrade if they felt like it.
This along with some DPS getting 500 Potency AOE heals seems like its erasing healers role and removing any form of challenge from Tanking.
Unless Dawntrail completely changes how much damage tanks and the party recieves and make it 2000s MMO level of damage these upgrade just seem to make all the support roles seem even more mindless.

[Supersnow845]

Tanks don’t remotely need the sustain they have in EW but hey what the hell, tanks fun is worth deleting the healers

I’m genuinely at the point I hope everyone with even a shred of competence at healing dumps the role and leaves the tanks and DPS with the cure 1 spammers because it’s obvious that’s the only way they are ever going to do anything about the current imbalance of healers

[GoatOfWar]

Tanks don’t remotely need the sustain they have in EW but hey what the hell, tanks fun is worth deleting the healers

I’m genuinely at the point I hope everyone with even a shred of competence at healing dumps the role and leaves the tanks and DPS with the cure 1 spammers because it’s obvious that’s the only way they are ever going to do anything about the current imbalance of healers

What fun? They just keep removing abilities and keep simplifying the tanks and then make us immortal meat bags instead of nerfing the problematic outliers.
It's actually hillarious i predicted exactly what they would do with the tanks down to a T.
For the most part, i'm only seeing one group of tank mains that are happy they received the changes they were asking for.

[UkcsAlias]

tanks fun is worth deleting the healers

This is the very generic being overpowered is fun. (and yes, it truly is fun)

Its however not healthy for the game. But the flaws go further.

What you often dont want is relying on a single role: if a tank dies, they can be rezzed by a healer. If a healer dies, they can be rezzed by a mage. But if there is no mage, you are now without healer.
As tanks have a lot of sustain, they mitigate the loss of the healer by being very tanky. Being often capable of saving the day. It prevents the healer loss from being a guaranteed wipe.

And thats where the real problem could be solved. I realy wouldnt mind if all dps get an option to ressurect. Just make it less optimal than a healer, but at least capable of saving healer: A phoenix down (5min CD and same cast time as healer rez) that demands you standing on the spot (like a 3y range). It makes a mage still more optimal, but without it still allows a recovery. And its this recovery that then allows tanks to get nerfed as healers do get the fallback they need.

[Absurdity]

Tanks don’t remotely need the sustain they have in EW but hey what the hell, tanks fun is worth deleting the healers

As if those changes actually make our gameplay more fun.

[SpiralMask]

Tanks don’t remotely need the sustain they have in EW but hey what the hell, tanks fun is worth deleting the healers

I’m genuinely at the point I hope everyone with even a shred of competence at healing dumps the role and leaves the tanks and DPS with the cure 1 spammers because it’s obvious that’s the only way they are ever going to do anything about the current imbalance of healers

Theyll just see that and decide cure 1 needs to be stronger, obviously.

[Rithy255]

Bring a monk they can heal now for 500 potency and buff the tanks healing, Please look foward to it!

I dunno War getting Regen is really Dumb this makes no sense at all Warrior has so much self healing adding more to it makes zero sense even if they wanted it to be the funny "green tank haha" it's at a point where more self healing is just a joke, DRK getting a 120 excog... I'm fine with, PLD getting a shield would be ok but it's kind of over the top with a 40% mitigation... honestly guardian is bar none the best upgrade imo. GNB's hp extend is... fine i guess? i dont think GNB needed more self healing.

Imo the secondary healing effects compared to PLD's shield or GNB's HP extend are less useful... PLD's being potency based means it stacks with ramparts increased healing that and it can crit... yeah Guardian looks kinda wacky good.

[Ori]

Bring a monk they can heal now for 500 potency and buff the tanks healing, Please look foward to it!

I dunno War getting Regen is really Dumb this makes no sense at all Warrior has so much self healing adding more to it makes zero sense even if they wanted it to be the funny "green tank haha" it's at a point where more self healing is just a joke, DRK getting a 120 excog... I'm fine with, PLD getting a shield would be ok but it's kind of over the top with a 40% mitigation... honestly guardian is bar none the best upgrade imo. GNB's hp extend is... fine i guess? i dont think GNB needed more self healing.

Imo the secondary healing effects compared to PLD's shield or GNB's HP extend are less useful... PLD's being potency based means it stacks with ramparts increased healing that and it can crit... yeah Guardian looks kinda wacky good.

I think it's ok to have different classes for different skill levels.

Also think of a WAR tank as being a chance for the Healer to DPS more or for new Healers to learn at a slower pace.
Any healing the tank can do leaves the healer free for other things.

It all balances out.

[Rithy255]

I think it's ok to have different classes for different skill levels.

Also think of a WAR tank as being a chance for the Healer to DPS more or for new Healers to learn at a slower pace.
Any healing the tank can do leaves the healer free for other things.

It all balances out.

Ah yes because healers don't already DPS enough with other tanks, Even when i'm on Dark Knight or healing a Dark Knight the healer DPS most the time, The difference is sometimes you may want to throw a OGCD heal on the DRK, where as on warrior even doing that is generally pointless.

Warrior Shouldn't have the best of everything, I personally would balance warrior out by having the best Self sustain but lacking target sustain (it should still be able to mit for allies). It's currently 2nd highest damage and has the best invul somewhere should give it's unfair that warrior is all upsides.

Even if it were to have the best sustain I don't think it should have a healing tool on literally all of it's abilities, equilibrium Is fine without the regen, Shake it off shouldn't heal others, blood whetting/nascent shouldn't heal for each enemy, even changing these listed things would still make warrior the best tank at sustaining itself, I think I'm being pretty reasonable here.

Healers job should be to heal, tanks job should be to also help and support. I'm fine with Certain tanks like Warrior or Paladin making the healer's job a bit easier, but I'm not fine with them being able to replace a healer.

Playing the "funny healer axe tank" might be fun for the individual but it isn't a healthy design for healers it takes away gameplay from them, while on the other tanks it just feels bad in comparison because theirs a tank that can do everything you can do but better and easier.

[CKNovel]

Yes, give me more tools to assist my healers.

The problem isn't that tank gets more tools, it's the healer design that's lacking.