Dark Knight was bad even in Endwalker but

[EponaTBHSMH]

I think using the term "bad" is misleading, if you say that DRK doesnt have as much mitigation as other tanks I can agree.

However not being able to keep a DRK alive for wall to wall pulls as SCH thats using all their healing kit in EW or DT underlines a different issue, the DRK might not be mitting correctly and/or is undergeared.

Ive done SCH/DRK on the level 97 dungeon while feeling no healer strain personally

[Ryaduera]

The people that talk about DRK being good are talking about its damage, the people talking about DRK being bad are talking about its defensives.

We're tank players, the majority of us want to be tanks, not DPS. DRK appeals to the minority of people that just want buckets of damage, which GNB has the spotlight for right now. We just want DRK to be tanky again...

[EponaTBHSMH]

The people that talk about DRK being good are talking about its damage, the people talking about DRK being bad are talking about its defensives.

We're tank players, the majority of us want to be tanks, not DPS. DRK appeals to the minority of people that just want buckets of damage, which GNB has the spotlight for right now. We just want DRK to be tanky again...

The only time I'd personally consider DRK's defensive to be bad is if healers have to struggle to the point of GCD healing to keep them alive. that hasnt been the case in EW or DT if the DRK is good.

Again does it have less mitigations than other tanks? Yes.
Is it bad defensives wise? No.

[Kaixern]

the people talking about DRK being bad are talking about its defensives.

Timidly raises their hand

You may add to this DRK players who favours class identity, design and gameplay.

[Tunda]

Dark knight should have slow and hard hitting attack and fast attacks should be magic to give the job identity

we are tlking about 3 sec GCD

[velswen]

Dark Knight was bad even in Endwalker but the content then was so easy to the point that we can't see how much "balance" the game was.

if everything is easy then everything is balance!

Dark knight was bad back then but now content is getting harder even a bit so now we can see how much Dark knight sucks..

I want to show my sickness of playing scholar with dark knights in dungeon.. it feels so hard to keep this job alive with 2 camps..

I latterly waster 180 sec ability to just barely save them from dying while they use every possible mitigation they have.. and still almost dying..

in other tank jobs i don't feel this stress

This just isn't true. Dark Knight is not bad, and if you're struggling to keep it alive in dungeon pulls its the fault of either you or the Dark Knight player. I find that a lot of DRKs don't use TBN off-cooldown in dungeon pulls, which is really bad. If they are using it appropriately, I don't struggle to keep them up at all.

[Tunda]

This just isn't true. Dark Knight is not bad, and if you're struggling to keep it alive in dungeon pulls its the fault of either you or the Dark Knight player. I find that a lot of DRKs don't use TBN off-cooldown in dungeon pulls, which is really bad. If they are using it appropriately, I don't struggle to keep them up at all.

Are u going to compare TPN to a paladin defense or warrior healing or litterally any GNB mitigation

Is this supposed to be joke or what?
30% sheild with no defense is such a lose

[Ryaduera]

Are u going to compare TPN to a paladin defense or warrior healing or litterally any GNB mitigation

Is this supposed to be joke or what?
30% sheild with no defense is such a lose

People forget that when it comes to mitigation, the best is pretty much always going to be raw percentages of reduction. TBN has the potential to be better, but DRK just lacks the cooldowns necessary to compete with the rest. I call it the TBN Tax, where the cooldown has so much potential that they can't give DRK better mits or it becomes warrior but with shields instead of heals. Easy solution is make Dark Mind also parry like Dark Dance used to and give Oblation a small heal over time and DRK will be on equal grounds again.

[Awful]

People forget that when it comes to mitigation, the best is pretty much always going to be raw percentages of reduction. TBN has the potential to be better, but DRK just lacks the cooldowns necessary to compete with the rest. I call it the TBN Tax, where the cooldown has so much potential that they can't give DRK better mits or it becomes warrior but with shields instead of heals. Easy solution is make Dark Mind also parry like Dark Dance used to and give Oblation a small heal over time and DRK will be on equal grounds again.

I feel tanks are plenty tanky what people want is a kit that makes sense while having job fantasy and flavor. Like it doesn't make sense by TBN has a loss associated with it when perfectly trying to time it when WAR/GNB/PLD have on demands that are up frequently and barely have a cost (if at all).

Why is TBN DPS neutral when it breaks vs the other tanks who lose nothing for just playing their job normally, again why punish 1 of the tanks for no reason other then muh tax?

Why does it make sense when I gap close it's this awkward interaction with the mobs where they won't notice me? But PLD/WAR have a gap closer that y'know get the mobs attention and does dmg?

Even if they increased DRKs damage it's gameplay is even less than what it was in EW like how do you do that? There's just weird design choices that don't make sense at all and sadly DRKs the one that gets it the most because SE went all in with ShB DRK and I was hoping they'd build upon it but instead they doubled down and removed more, yet again.

So I don't think it was dmg people were super worried about it's just the same thing everytime: New xpac comes out > DRK loses iconic things and fun things > Replaced with clunky and downright oversights > cycle repeats.

Edit: Well they fixed the gap closer issues that's cool I guess so I can scratch that one off

[LoadedVirus]

I want to play a DRK I really do but ... why would you? What does it actually have these days? Every other tank can do what DRK can do but better be it DPS or self heals or defensives, yes the DRK is playable and you will be able to do content with it as long as your party isn't braindead... but that doesn't mean its enjoyable unless you find fun in actively making the game harder.