We need expansion/duty bans and easier/harder modes of duties.

[Carin-Eri]

A lot of youtube dungeon guide videos do a pretty terrible job helping people learn what they should do to be successful in boss fights. They do a good enough job communicating what mechanics are, but not "steps you should take to be sure to work these mechanics".

I've been thinking about making one explaining Tender Valley in the sense of "this comes first, the best way to avoid it is to be here when it comes". I was inspired by seeing someone who clearly had seen a video but still couldn't translate that in game. The first boss, the very first AE he struggled with because he was standing a long way from the boss when it hit, and the distance he had to move didn't get him in position in time. If he were standing at the boss's feet when it hit, he would have had all the time in the world. This kind of thing isn't talked about in most dungeon guides, where they assume a certain level of mechanical understanding.

I have a couple of ideas that may help. Go in with duty support. Don't do any damage, just use the opportunity to play the mechanics ... once you get that down and your duty kills the boss, keep doing it until you're confident enough to add damage. It may help.

Without seeing your gameplay, the first thing I would say is something I've said a few times in this thread and others: The biggest hangup a lot of people have in learning mechanics is typically that they're too focused on their hotbars. Just some probing questions, and if you'd prefer responses in DMs, that's perfectly fine, the standardized telegraphs, do you have any issues recognizing them? Things like stack markers, flare markers, etc... Do you often find yourself being caught off guard by mechanics that rely on boss animations to discern like the thunder variations on Exdeath? Just going through a couple of the more common issues with mechanics learning.

If hotbar focus is the issue, my recommendation is to just stop doing damage for a bit and focus on everything except your hotbars. Normal content doesn't have an enrage, so there's 0 harm in doing that.

Thanks for the advice, both - appreciate it! The Duty Support idea was sound advice and have given that a try - I guess the test will be whether or not I can remember what I've seen with a team of players!

And yeah, getting caught off-guard has been a big problem - although a bigger problem seems to be that when I move to avoid AOE attacks I consistently get hit by them anyway despite the fact that, on my screen at least, I was outside the AOE - so I'm wondering if there is some form of lag issue at my end to be honest.

[Banggugyangu]

Thanks for the advice, both - appreciate it! The Duty Support idea was sound advice and have given that a try - I guess the test will be whether or not I can remember what I've seen with a team of players!

And yeah, getting caught off-guard has been a big problem - although a bigger problem seems to be that when I move to avoid AOE attacks I consistently get hit by them anyway despite the fact that, on my screen at least, I was outside the AOE - so I'm wondering if there is some form of lag issue at my end to be honest.

It could be lag, yeah. It's important to note that unless you live 10 ft from the servers, the AoEs will go off a touch before the telegraph disappears. Typically a castbar is a good indicator of when the attack goes off, but that's also subject to lag sometimes. In regards to when it's safe, typically I recommend just toe the line as much as possible until you can get a feel for how your own connection handles it, because everyone's connection is a touch different. And don't feel bad about saying in party, "Hey, I gotta focus on this mechanic that I'm not getting, I won't be doing great damage until I learn it." People won't get upset about that, because you're trying. Heck, even in savage prog last night, we had someone just straight up say, "I gotta stop doing damage until I nail this mechanic". We were cool w/ it. We even cleared the next pull.

[Anya_Synia]

Threads like this makes me think that people forgot what ffxiv arr was like on release with people wiping multiple times to mechanics. Aurum Vale pops into my head immediately.

[Mercury_Grey]

Roulettes are optional. Gil, EXP, tomestones, and materia are obtainable through other means.

Aww man how else will I earn my Gil and tombstones for more relics if roulette are cut down by expansion bans. Guess I better go to a rp venue to make Gil now. (This is a joke if you take it serious then don't complain to me)

[YokaiYoshiya]

I'm really hoping the developers realize that they've pushed the difficulty level into the ridiculous zone. For all that would say "don't you want to get better?" of course I do! But sometimes you hit a point where it's as good as it gets and it's not good enough. And the people that would tell me "git gud" I'll challenge you.. go play for the NFL or NBA... why not? You can just 'git gud', right?
Definitely regretting spending money on Dawntrail and if I'd known it was for elite gamers only I'd not have spent the money.

[Supersnow845]

I'm really hoping the developers realize that they've pushed the difficulty level into the ridiculous zone. For all that would say "don't you want to get better?" of course I do! But sometimes you hit a point where it's as good as it gets and it's not good enough. And the people that would tell me "git gud" I'll challenge you.. go play for the NFL or NBA... why not? You can just 'git gud', right?
Definitely regretting spending money on Dawntrail and if I'd known it was for elite gamers only I'd not have spent the money.

Where is the game “only for elite gamers” now

Like what mechanics are you struggling with

Have you asked for help

[Nero-Voidstails]

honestly dawntrail is a good step forward I wish it would even get harder not gonna lie. if you want easier I am sorry but maybe you should play something else Endwalker was so easy that almost every content can be done with one or no healer at all. If you wish to have the difficulty lower I will be honest it could be on multiple factor and just telling you the tank I play with have a disability with her hands and does just fine and she's having fun and she is getting ready for jeuno for the first time too.


So I am sorry but maybe a MMOrpg is maybe not for you if you want easier in Endwalker more people asked for harder and now some want easier it make me laugh because I almost left in Endwalker due to the fact that my main job was legit useless. Yet I find DT to be so much better in that regard even tho it isn't perfect in question of balance!


Also it isn't the first time someone make those post and everytime they are meet with the same answer yes you pay for it but everyone else also does. Keep that in mind and maybe the job you play isn't maybe for you either.

[Kuroka]

Its lv 90 -100 and youre telling me its too hard? then you either skipped too much and leveled too fast OR its just the wrong game for you. Nothing made newer stuff harder - they even added those "The boss is doing xyz, be careful!" messages. The only really harder things are some instand death mechanics, but who cares.

You had plenty of time to learn, at least the story should be easy. If its not, youre in the wrong game and should play something else and maybe come back few expansions down the line when stuff is nerved or our ilvl crushes it.

[Nero-Voidstails]

and just also saying this the terms"git good" was normalized in a game with limited communication and it wasn't seen as a insult but a way to motivate people it is from dark soul 1. you know the game that will kick your ass for every possible reason

[Kuroka]

Its not "gid good" if i expect you to not blow up on fire or freeze on ice machanics at lv 100. Neither is me expecting you to not bring some meteor into our stack. or avoid the 10 second long cast.

And its not asked too much having an ilvl around your level, not using lv 60 gear on 80+.

Im sorry for some players its just the wrong game - or at least they play it the wrong way.