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    How does the flow of time work in Heritage Found and Solution Nine? How is that 30 years passed for Zoraal Ja and other characters like Cahciua and Namika who got trapped in the dome, but now after the story, it seems to pass at the same rate as the outside world? For example, after dealing with the final zone, shouldn't have another 30 years have passed in Solution Nine? Is time synced between that area and the outside world now? If so, how?
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    Based on what we've seen in the First and with Dawntrail's story, some sort of corporeal travel past an interdimensional barrier creates a lockstep stabilization between the two areas. For the First, that stabilization seems to have started with the WoL's travel there. For Heritage Found, that stabilization seems to have started with the invasion. The exact mechanism is unclear, as with most things involving shard travel.
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    But then shouldn't synchronization first occur from Zoraal Ja traveling to the shard? Or even Krile's parents bringing here here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitelancer View Post
    But then shouldn't synchronization first occur from Zoraal Ja traveling to the shard? Or even Krile's parents bringing here here?
    I figure they're going to go into this at some point. Because we've now had two instances where our traveling from one shard to another (or a merged shard) normalizes the flow of time. Maybe Azem's presence does that, idk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitelancer View Post
    But then shouldn't synchronization first occur from Zoraal Ja traveling to the shard? Or even Krile's parents bringing here here?
    Krile's parents bringing her here wasnt done within the dome, and it is in fact the WoL traveling that seems to synchronize the shards together. Its relatively unclear as to this methodology. But time is relative to ourselves in this world and all. That being said, The OP is thinking in reverse. If we were in there for "several days" it would be mere minutese on the outside of the dome. Its only 30 years = 1 day from the point of view of those outside the dome. Generally if it wasnt the WoL themselves stabilizing the dilation, it would not have been Krile's parents that first crossed, its the first crossers a few Eons ago Source time.

    That being said the time dilation is quite a conundrum when it is looked upon in terms of When Alexandria's war happened. Since Otis is in the 450-500 yr old range, that happened all of 16 days ago on the source. If Krile has been here for 20 years and 1 day =30 years... The golden city portal has been around for 219 THOUAND years of Souce time, even if we shift that from 1 day to 3 or 4 days we only shift that into the 50k year range. So we can only assume that time dilation isn't a constant over time. In order for Alexandria to have had its history as recent as Otis asserts it to have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niwaar View Post
    Krile's parents bringing her here wasnt done within the dome, and it is in fact the WoL traveling that seems to synchronize the shards together. Its relatively unclear as to this methodology. But time is relative to ourselves in this world and all. That being said, The OP is thinking in reverse. If we were in there for "several days" it would be mere minutese on the outside of the dome. Its only 30 years = 1 day from the point of view of those outside the dome. Generally if it wasnt the WoL themselves stabilizing the dilation, it would not have been Krile's parents that first crossed, its the first crossers a few Eons ago Source time.

    That being said the time dilation is quite a conundrum when it is looked upon in terms of When Alexandria's war happened. Since Otis is in the 450-500 yr old range, that happened all of 16 days ago on the source. If Krile has been here for 20 years and 1 day =30 years... The golden city portal has been around for 219 THOUAND years of Souce time, even if we shift that from 1 day to 3 or 4 days we only shift that into the 50k year range. So we can only assume that time dilation isn't a constant over time. In order for Alexandria to have had its history as recent as Otis asserts it to have been.
    That is quite the conundrum. But here's another: if it's the WoL's presence that syncs time, then shouldn't time still be unsynced when Zoraal Ja invades Tuliyollal so that a significant amount of time would have passed in the dome while he was outside? Maybe this could have happened and the story still makes sense, but I'm not sure.
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    I think that we're just looking at a moment of convenience-based storytelling that, in-universe, sort of just manifests as a 'weird it happened twice' thing.

    Heritage Found synced up with the outside world at around when we busted into Vanguard, just as the First synced up with the Source at around when we crossed over. But in both cases, it's correlation rather than causation; there is no suggestion that the transit actually caused that sync, rather that it just happened to line up, and it lines up just because it'd be a massive headache to factor in 'time flows differently between shards' in a game with a largely consistent world.

    I could possibly be convinced to believe that Heritage Found wasn't coincidence and we're looking at sort of a temporal instance of something like 'two connected containers of water equalize in pressure', but I don't think that would explain anything outside of Heritage Found specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    I think that we're just looking at a moment of convenience-based storytelling that, in-universe, sort of just manifests as a 'weird it happened twice' thing.

    Heritage Found synced up with the outside world at around when we busted into Vanguard, just as the First synced up with the Source at around when we crossed over. But in both cases, it's correlation rather than causation; there is no suggestion that the transit actually caused that sync, rather that it just happened to line up, and it lines up just because it'd be a massive headache to factor in 'time flows differently between shards' in a game with a largely consistent world.

    I could possibly be convinced to believe that Heritage Found wasn't coincidence and we're looking at sort of a temporal instance of something like 'two connected containers of water equalize in pressure', but I don't think that would explain anything outside of Heritage Found specifically.
    They introduced a new concept this expansion: interdimensional fusion. If the fusion takes time to complete, then time could be unsynced while it's happening and synced once it's done. That could be one explanation. But the idea of interdimensional fusion as a process is kind of hard to comprehend. Like a dome appeared and some people from our world got trapped in it while the fusion was incomplete?...
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    tl;dr: Don't worry, a wizard did it.

    When the dome appeared, time for the people in Yyasulani (and Zoraal Ja, who had gone over earlier) passed at an accelerated rate compared to time for the people outside of it. By completing Vanguard, a bridge was made that stabilized the difference (synched it to Source time).

    Don't worry about the how or why of it; it happens however the writer wants it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    tl;dr: Don't worry, a wizard did it.

    When the dome appeared, time for the people in Yyasulani (and Zoraal Ja, who had gone over earlier) passed at an accelerated rate compared to time for the people outside of it. By completing Vanguard, a bridge was made that stabilized the difference (synched it to Source time).

    Don't worry about the how or why of it; it happens however the writer wants it to.
    Always remember the main rule of time travel:

    Time travel works how the story needs it to work this week.
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