Why not fixing NetCode instead of Graphical update?

[Isala]

You don't know that.

Do you know how much money is actually allocated to FF14? How much money is left after allowing ressources to what needs to be developped? (Future expansion, raid, jobs, music, art, events, etc etc etc). Maybe very little is left... Maybe they don't even have enough for everything they'd like to do... maybe they have a lot left which leads to the next question.

"How much would it cost". Do you know? We know it's a mess, we know it'd be "a lot", but how much "a lot".

You know, while I understand the logistics of "You need money to fix the game", I'm failing to see how that's my problem as a customer. And after several expansions of the same excuses (1.0 spaghetti code, lack of resources, etc), I have no sympathy left for the condition they've left the game in. Leveling Picto during EA was a massive eye opener for just how terrible the net code is. Look at this skill you can't use while out of combat. Also, it's going to take an entire GCD plus for the game to realize you're in combat, AFTER you hit the mob.

And now I'm seeing poor Elezens in another thread, wearing helmets that just straight up delete their ears, while Viera... can't wear hats because of their ears?

And now with DT's obvious lack of polish, or direction, or, well, much of anything... Nope. Done with their excuses. Done with their lack of resources somehow being my problem as a consumer. Fix the damned game.

[cutestfox]

And now with DT's obvious lack of polish, or direction, or, well, much of anything... Nope. Done with their excuses. Done with their lack of resources somehow being my problem as a consumer. Fix the damned game.

It is honestly this.
Every companies goal is to make money. "Logically" the best thing any company can do is sell the cheapest product for the highest price possible
None of us here work for SE, none of us are the CEO- nobody here gets anything out of making excuses or reasons why it shouldn't be criticized or something should be given a pass

It's our single role as a consumer to continue pressuring them to improve, always

[Tunda]

It is honestly this.
Every companies goal is to make money. "Logically" the best thing any company can do is sell the cheapest product for the highest price possible
None of us here work for SE, none of us are the CEO- nobody here gets anything out of making excuses or reasons why it shouldn't be criticized or something should be given a pass

It's our single role as a consumer to continue pressuring them to improve, always

Dawntrail has 90 issues and 10 positives..
the idea that "they don't have money" is so silly and uneducated thing to say..

[Daralii]

It is honestly this.
Every companies goal is to make money. "Logically" the best thing any company can do is sell the cheapest product for the highest price possible
None of us here work for SE, none of us are the CEO- nobody here gets anything out of making excuses or reasons why it shouldn't be criticized or something should be given a pass

It's our single role as a consumer to continue pressuring them to improve, always

They're busy using XIV's income to make games that can't recoup their development costs. I don't think SE's had anything else they consider a success since the first game of the ∞-part FF7 sequel-remake series.

[Gilihere]

Ok, netcode is not the best if you don't live near a server but it aint that bad except if your routing is crap to begin with.

That said, unequivocally this:

They're busy using XIV's income to make games that can't recoup their development costs.

hell even uncle Yoshi tells us to go play other games (preferably SQE games and keep your ffxiv subs up).
As a business having a diverse portfolio is important, and lets not forget that all the money is pooled and redistributed accordingly. If I ever see news that SQE is refactoring the netcode and increasing the budget of FFXIV, I'd believe that they were really in the verge of bankrupcy tbh.

[Tunda]

Ok, netcode is not the best if you don't live near a server but it aint that bad except if your routing is crap to begin with.

That said, unequivocally this:


hell even uncle Yoshi tells us to go play other games (preferably SQE games and keep your ffxiv subs up).
As a business having a diverse portfolio is important, and lets not forget that all the money is pooled and redistributed accordingly. If I ever see news that SQE is refactoring the netcode and increasing the budget of FFXIV, I'd believe that they were really in the verge of bankrupcy tbh.

I don't think you understand what is Netcode is and why it is bad.. there is a clear delay when pressing button and when activate it I play very compatitive online games with no issue never face issue unless I play FFXIV.. and many of my friends that live in USA have these issues..

don't act like this is not an issue from the "code" and put the blame on service providers.. which is a bad argument.

[Vrankyl]

I don't think you understand what is Netcode is and why it is bad.. there is a clear delay when pressing button and when activate it I play very compatitive online games with no issue never face issue unless I play FFXIV.. and many of my friends that live in USA have these issues..

don't act like this is not an issue from the "code" and put the blame on service providers.. which is a bad argument.

That in of itself is not always a netcode issue. Many abilities have animation locks, in which the ability is coded to go off AFTER the animation completes. This has been something SE has been steadily moving away from, but has not done so entirely. DRG jumps used to be the epitome of animation lock issues. PLD Hallowed Ground and WHM Benediction are as well. It's just how the ability itself is designed, which would be a separate request to fix and should have been fixed long ago.

Yes the game has netcode issues, though there may well be a reason it hasn't been fixed. It could be that the work to fix it is too much, as others have said we won't know until SE actually tells us. That said, I am for one all for a netcode improvement but I also know that the people responsible for graphical improvement, job design, and other things are not the people in charge of netcode. That's a separate area altogether.

I would also note that many Japanese gaming companies have terrible netcode designs as much of their designs seem to be a bit outdated. Of course that is pure conjecture based on limited personal evidence, but it very well could be they don't see an issue with it at all because that's the norm.

[Daralii]

That in of itself is not always a netcode issue. Many abilities have animation locks, in which the ability is coded to go off AFTER the animation completes. This has been something SE has been steadily moving away from, but has not done so entirely. DRG jumps used to be the epitome of animation lock issues. PLD Hallowed Ground and WHM Benediction are as well. It's just how the ability itself is designed, which would be a separate request to fix and should have been fixed long ago.

Yes the game has netcode issues, though there may well be a reason it hasn't been fixed. It could be that the work to fix it is too much, as others have said we won't know until SE actually tells us. That said, I am for one all for a netcode improvement but I also know that the people responsible for graphical improvement, job design, and other things are not the people in charge of netcode. That's a separate area altogether.

I would also note that many Japanese gaming companies have terrible netcode designs as much of their designs seem to be a bit outdated. Of course that is pure conjecture based on limited personal evidence, but it very well could be they don't see an issue with it at all because that's the norm.

At least some abilities that do multiple things also do so on different server ticks. I don't know if this was ever changed, but the way Superbolide worked in 5.0 was to bring you to 1 HP and then apply the invulnerability on the next tick, so it was possible to get unlucky and kill yourself.

[Tunda]

They're busy using XIV's income to make games that can't recoup their development costs. I don't think SE's had anything else they consider a success since the first game of the ∞-part FF7 sequel-remake series.

wasting money on NFTs crap is very disappointed to see..
people who is making these choices are not even gamer.. looking for trends to waste money on project that will neve please anyone