Progression system that could improve endgame (By a lot)

[Gortys]

It takes all kinds of people. Some who care will follow the meta others won't. Games should not be designed for people who optimise the fun out of everything. Make a fun game first and then let people who care about it meta slave.

I agree about game design, but if horizontal level and or gearing systems were more "fun" there would be a lot more people who liked games with these systems, but that enjoyment in the MMO community seems to be an exception.

The thing about GW2 is that it's gear is still usable and you don't necessarily have to grind for better gear as you horizontally progress. LOTRO had similar gear where you may not need to replace your max level raiding gear for a couple of expansions - if you just replaced some "materia" (can't remember what it's called there) then you were on par with people with the latest gear.

What I read the OP as saying is that instead of new levels they would want new gear to grind for every expansion. Depending on what you enjoy doing in GW2, you can skip a year or two (or longer) and likely not have to replace your gear at all. But most MMO players see "new gear" as progression more than anything. The point is you can't copy one aspect of a game you like without considering the other aspects it affects and how the other MMO's system works as a whole.

[Tunda]

I agree about game design, but if horizontal level and or gearing systems were more "fun" then I'd still be mainly playing GW2, ESO, or WoW.

The thing about GW2 is that it's gear is still usable and you don't necessarily have to grind for better gear as you horizontally progress. LOTRO had similar gear where you may not need to replace your max level raiding gear for a couple of expansions - if you just replaced some "materia" (can't remember what it's called there) then you were on par with people with the latest gear.

What I read the OP as saying is that instead of new levels they would want new gear to grind for every expansion. Depending on what you enjoy doing in GW2, you can skip a year or two (or longer) and likely not have to replace your gear at all. But most MMO players see "new gear" as progression more than anything. The point is you can't copy one aspect of a game you like without considering the other aspects it affects and how the other MMO's system works as a whole.

it is "grindy" but not that much..

Just implementing gearing system on fates that we already are doing..

for me I don't have a house and I am not interesting in houses what do i get from fates currency? a door? what should I do with it? i don't have house and I dont care about housing..

farming +100 fate for items are not usable by players like me..

the idea: "We already grinding Dawntrial just we don't like how items we get are not usable by most of us who don't own house and don't craft"

[Gortys]

the idea: "We already grinding Dawntrial just we don't like how items we get are not usable by most of us who don't own house and don't craft"

I mean, you could look at what you get from fate grinding and then decide how it can be used either currently or in the future. The fact that you need gear to be all you get from content just proves my point that some only see new gear as viable rewards and no amount of horizontal progression will change that. Again, in GW2 I haven't changed my gear in quite a few years and every time I jump back in it is still viable. Because of that I can jump into new content rather than having to grind for gear. The content in GW2 gives the horizontal progression which increases stats.

Nobody is forcing anyone to grind fates. People hate this answer, but if you don't like certain content then you don't have to do it. I haven't finished grinding Fates in ShB and I likely won't. I don't do content just because a developer creates it. Gamers love to talk about accountability when raiding, but you are just as accountable for how you decide to consume the content or if you decide to not consume it at all.