FFXIV Healer Strike and the 'How would you fix it?' line

[Aviatorhead]

Not talking about it shows people lost interest, and the goal become to build back that interest into the role.
Right now people plays healers, make suggestion about improving them, so everything is buisness as usual.

When people lost interest into the whole tanking role, the devs made sure to make it attractive.

If they had plans on making healers better, they would have communicated about it already or at least tried some stuff like they do for other jobs.

For now and until atleast 8.0, nothing will be done for healers because the numbers shows "it's good enought" thats the sad reality of the situation.

nah. I wholeheartedly disagree here. Yes it shows disinterest in the role, but there isn't a world where having no feedback to work off of is better than having written words from the player to tell you what they think of your product.

Talking about this is 1000% better than just shutting up and hoping one day square decides to do something. Talking about healing being unfun isn't going to horseshoe around and convince the devs that actually people DO like healing, just because people are talking about it.

I already agreed with you that not playing healer is a good way to get the dev attention. But talking about it too is always going to be leagues better than staying silent, even if the devs don't read the stuff posted here themselves.

[Qyoon]

nah. I wholeheartedly disagree here. Yes it shows disinterest in the role, but there isn't a world where having no feedback to work off of is better than having written words from the player to tell you what they think of your product.

Talking about this is 1000% better than just shutting up and hoping one day square decides to do something. Talking about healing being unfun isn't going to horseshoe around and convince the devs that actually people DO like healing, just because people are talking about it.

I already agreed with you that not playing healer is a good way to get the dev attention. But talking about it too is always going to be leagues better than staying silent, even if the devs don't read the stuff posted here themselves.

Never said talking about it would made it morse by itself, just showed that combined to keep playing healers was.
Beside that, since the devs don't care, beside venting, years have proven it was basicly useless.

You do you, just know it's not helping.

[klu]

You do you, just know it's not helping.

If ever there was a phrase to describe this thread, this one is it.

You don't need two open threads (or three, at time of writing) for your subject. You just *want* them. You want to log in and see fifty million "yeah I agree!" notifications in your inbox, and you dont want to experience the downer of your super awesome completely unique and game changing original thoughts (do not steal) being washed away in the megathread.

So you crap up the forums. Like everyone else does, when they open new threads on already existing topics, or topics that have RUN THEIR COURSE.
(Or, both as it so happens)

And no, the forum mods didn't pop in here, note the offending post and cc it quickly to square. They zapped the worthless post, and then got to the next item in their infinite backlog.


Please stop crapping up the forums, use the existing megathread. Thank you.

[Aviatorhead]

Its hardly 'crapping up' anything. Two or three threads is nothing. If this discussion makes you this angry then don't click on them. There's more than enough of other threads for you to participate in.

[klu]

Its hardly 'crapping up' anything. Two or three threads is nothing. If this discussion makes you this angry then don't click on them. There's more than enough of other threads for you to participate in.

Please do not excuse (badly) the efforts of others to crap up the forums that we all must share.

Thank you.

[Hallarem]

Is it my turn to post a healer thread next? So we can pretend theres a healerstrike going?

[Lorika]

Please do not excuse (badly) the efforts of others to crap up the forums that we all must share.

Thank you.

Then can you stop crapping this (and other several post) with you crappy crap.

[ForsakenRoe]

You want to log in and see fifty million "yeah I agree!" notifications in your inbox

Joke's on you, I didn't know there even was a notifications inbox, let alone how to access it

[Saraide]

Please do not excuse (badly) the efforts of others to crap up the forums that we all must share.

Thank you.

Pretty low amount of posts for someone who "must" be here.

[Shurrikhan]

Please do not excuse (badly) the efforts of others to crap up the forums that we all must share.

It's 1 out of at least 918 healer threads made at the time of this post -- the vast, vast majority of which have far less reason to exist than this one (this thread's purpose and initial discourse probably likely to have made something the 5 or so most useful for healer discussion since Stormblood).

Meanwhile, the last couple expansion's time has given us, even just in the English forums alone, at least...

• 236 housing threads,
• 308 glamor threads,
• 358 tank/tanking threads,
• 380 plugin/mod threads,
• 30 threads about the posting of threads, and
• a dozen "Titanmen" posts, from when a single-class boosted alt account like yours used to at least be capable of generating humor instead of just annoyance.

This fork had good reasons to appear. It follows a different mission from the original thread and reduces digression therein by concentrating that tangent/forked purpose here instead, and its placing in its OP ideas useful to that new purpose means that the discourse for which the conversation forked is more streamlined. So, admittedly, it would probably exist regardless of the behavior of others, even if posters' inability to read 1 to 3 pages prior to find the considerable amount of work that they demanded (simultaneously to be perfectly comprehensive yet be written dumbed down sufficiently for them) already done for them did accelerate this thread's usefulness.

But, in most other cases, most thread forks would have a lot less reason to form if...

• people actually read the OPs and, if responding to posts important enough to warrant links/quotes in said OP, actually read those posts before entering merely the wake of the ongoing conversation,
• people recognized the irony in posting just to complain that people are posting and actually then refrained from doing so if they honestly believe that posting in any such thread is bad/unwarranted/contemptible/bringing about the moral destruction of the internet,
• people didn't warrant their posted complaints about people posting in such absurd ways that it encourages/obliges, for collective sanity, rebuttal of those complaints (as here).

While, yes, this fork has already formed, the same cautions would go a long way here, too, as not to so greatly incentivize a further, clean-slate fork (for which just not having you in it would be benefit enough to warrant its creation).

And all that is to say nothing for the obvious irony of harassing people for making a new thread on one end... and for "necro-ing" a still-relevant existing one on the other. If there were some ban against making new threads at all related to a prior thread yet also against necro-ing, that would be effectively a gag order on a given thread's topic, regardless of thread, from the moment the thread in which it's first mentions leaves the front page. Luckily, there isn't. There isn't even a rule against necro-ing.

There is literally only this:

• Posting content that does not follow the theme of the category or thread.
• Posting content that deviates from topics concerning FINAL FANTASY XIV.
• Posting spam, including meaningless characters and white space.
• Posting a number of posts with the same content.
• Taking or discussing criminal actions.
• Posting that constitutes discrimination against another forum member or group (also including forming groups for the purpose of discrimination), insults, slander, libel, harassment of a group or individual.
• Use of inappropriate or aggressive language.
• Posting obscenity, pornography, propaganda, or other expressions unrelated to the game.
• Posting about commercial, business, advertising, political, or religious matters.
• Posting that would violate anti-stalking laws or orders.
• Posting personal information about yourself or other specific individuals.
• Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members.
• Impersonating another person or taking action that might reasonably be mistaken as the actions of another.
• Reproducing, duplicating, altering, supplementing, changing, or other secondary use of this Service’s software, either whole or in part.
• Posting seeking to damage or disparage Square Enix, the forum, FINAL FANTASY XIV, or others.
• Posting content that seeks to interfere with the running of FINAL FANTASY XIV.
• Posting content with the intention of criticizing either Square Enix staff or specific individuals.
• Doing anything that obstructs the use of the forum or FINAL FANTASY XIV for other users.
• Infringing upon Square Enix's or any third party’s intellectual property (copyright, trademark, etc.) rights or privacy rights.
• Undertaking any RMT-related actions, including selling items, gil, or accounts for real world currency.
• Attempting to harm or obstruct the operation or use of this forum.
• Doing anything that is prohibited in the Square Enix Account Terms of Use.
• Taking any other actions that are deemed inappropriate by Square Enix in our sole discretion.

I suspect the bolded would be more relevant to your own actions than to Roe having increased the total number of healer threads by 1 out of 918 in order to focus on, frankly, a meaningfully different subtopic from what existing threads offered.

Seriously... the irony of putting this many posts into getting people to stop posting about what they want to have a conversation about, for whatever reason, surely cannot wholly be lost on you.

There is no world in which 1 in 918+ threads is somehow a more an obstruction of forum use than a single-class boosted (hopefully just alt) account using the majority of its posts just to belittle others or squelch conversation and thereby adding 100+ digressed posts.