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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    So many people think they can be an arm-chair game designer.
    People say “give constructive ideas not complain” then someone goes to this much effort to provide a constructive idea and people dismiss it out of hand

    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    No...you...think you can...

    Anyway, I'll focus on SCH, which has been my favorite Healer to play since ShB. See, it all comes down to personal opinions. Me? I play healer to heal. If I want to have involved DPS thoughts...I play a DPS (this is also far and away the most common approach in Japanese culture - which is a *huge* thing for you to consider). I wasn't a fan of Cleric Stance. The whole Offense/Defense/Emergency thing you have going? Yeah, I just don't like it. Simple as that. When I play a healer, I have no interest in juggling stances for different effects. (For the record, the same was true back in the day when PLD had Sword vs. Shield stances or whatever they were called - when I play a tank, I do so to tank, period.) There's a reason it took me forever to try leveling AST, just to find they reworked the cards again substantially and changed it from a system I could get into to one I just plain don't like (the difference is I simply stopped playing AST, I didn't see a need to shout it from the housetops and make it about me). I'm also not a fan of your Seraph ability happening simultaneously with other Faerie skills; that's one of the few "strategy" elements I really like about SCH right now, that tradeoff of the extra burst group heal vs. losing your other abilities for a bit. Lastly, I'll add that with the extra DoT you put back. For me, one is enough on a healer. Now I have to juggle two DPS DoT spells? I want to do that, I'll go play a DPS. Same with the AoE component of ShadowFlare...why do I as a healer have an AoE DoT when actual DPS classes don't even do that? Give that to all of the DPS classes first. Lastly, I just think it's a missed opportunity to not move Art of War up to be learned at a much lower level. One of the biggest slowdowns early on is the disparity when different classes get their basic AoE ability. Let's move them earlier.

    There, are we happy now? Notice how I didn't say any of your changes were "bad," "terrible," "atrocious," or any of the other belittling words the echo chamber around here likes to throw around. I just accurately noted these are my opinions and why I personally wouldn't enjoy the setup you proposed for SCH.
    1) 2 dots give that to the DPS first- BRD and GNB already have that and SMN used to have that before the remake you have championed before
    2) nobody else has an AOE DOT- PLD and GNB, RPR functionally as well
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 07-11-2024 at 01:18 PM.

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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    People say “give constructive ideas not complain” then someone goes to this much effort to provide a constructive idea and people dismiss it out of hand

    1) 2 dots give that to the DPS first- BRD and GNB already have that and SMN used to have that before the remake you have championed before
    2) nobody else has an AOE DOT- PLD and GNB, RPR functionally as well
    For some people, it's SE's way or the highway.

    As for AOE DOTs, if we want to include old designs: NIN has one (Doton), SMN still has one (Slipstream, Garuda phase), MCH's Bishop turret was effectively an 'AOE DOT', MCH also has Flamethrower if you want to count it, MCH also has BioBlaster, BRD had Flaming Arrow, SMN also had Shadowflare, SMN/SCH could turn their ST DOTs into AOE via Bane, BLM has AOE Thunder, as you say PLD has Circle of Scorn, GNB has Bow Shock, but DRK also has Salted Earth. I don't agree with you that RPR has a DOT 'functionally', I assume you refer to Death's Design, but that'd be like saying Trick Attack is 'functionally a DOT' for NIN

    SGE now has an AOE DOT (Eukrasian Dyskrasia), and it's a healer too. Just off of that, I would argue that SCH getting an AOE DOT isn't the most bizarre design choice, because for 6 years it had one (ARR-SB it had Shadowflare). Actually, for a while it had Miasma 2 as well I guess
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 07-11-2024 at 11:49 PM.