FFXIV Healer Strike and the 'How would you fix it?' line

[Shurrikhan]

Thank you for making another thread on this subject. The presence of just one thread routinely in the top ten was simply not enough to handle all the endless, circular discussion surrounding this topic.

Plus, you made it because "you were tired" of "repeating yourself", and having a second thread will definitely, totally fix that.

Thank you once again for your "efforts" regarding thr quality of discussion on these forums.

Tfw when one's post history is *exactly* as would be expected from its latest instance.

Oh look:

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I often semi-joke that if people wanted a simple healer, they could always revert back to CNJ and have fun with that, lol.

Okay, but do I get my Thunder, Stone-with-Heavy, and second Aero back, too? : o

[Supersnow845]

Thank you for making another thread on this subject. The presence of just one thread routinely in the top ten was simply not enough to handle all the endless, circular discussion surrounding this topic.

Plus, you made it because "you were tired" of "repeating yourself", and having a second thread will definitely, totally fix that.

Thank you once again for your "efforts" regarding thr quality of discussion on these forums.

Amazing when a problem doesn’t get fixed it births more threads complaining that a problem doesn’t get fixed

Is this like your first time on the internet or something

[klu]

Tfw when one's post history is *exactly* as would be expected from its latest instance.

Oh look:

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Okay, but do I get my Thunder, Stone-with-Heavy, and second Aero back, too? : o

When you cant refute the statement, something something profile troll.

[klu]

Amazing when a problem doesn’t get fixed it births more threads complaining that a problem doesn’t get fixed

Is this like your first time on the internet or something

... The forums have been further crapped up with another unnecessary thread, because yet another OP required his own special bespoke whine, thus increasing the signal noise and diluting the message...

But it's *my* first time on the internet. Yeah, let's go with that.

[Supersnow845]

... The forums have been further crapped up with another unnecessary thread, because yet another OP required his own special bespoke whine, thus increasing the signal noise and diluting the message...

But it's *my* first time on the internet. Yeah, let's go with that.

Yeah because signal noise causing message dilution is 100% the problem here in terms of the devs ignoring feedback

[klu]

But increasing that noise *will* help?

People all creating their own threads on subjects that already have their own megathreads will help the devs more than confining the conversation to the megathread?


That's some kind of Schrodingers Dev Response right there, my guy.

The dev will either listen, in which case one megathread will serve, or they won't listen. In which case multiple threads of people "being tired" of using the megathread wont assist that goal.

Pick a lane.

[ForsakenRoe]

The dev will either listen, in which case one megathread will serve, or they won't listen. In which case multiple threads of people "being tired" of using the megathread wont assist that goal.

Pick a lane.

Thank you for bumping the thread, it allows more players to see it, and contribute to the discussion. These designs are actually partially a collaborative work, as some aspects of them were suggested by other players, aspects that I thought 'hey, that's pretty good, I should weave that into the design'. The WHM having Protect upgrade to Plenary Indulgence, for example, came from someone I butted heads with almost a year ago, even when there's some disagreements, common ground can be found. So the more people that see this thread, and comment, the more the ideas evolve

The 'constantly repeating myself' that was getting tiring, was players like yourself coming into the megathread, saying 'yeh but I don't see anyone offering ways to fix it' and then me explaining a portion of these designs, to show that 'this is how I would fix it'. Typing out the potencies, the maths behind how close in performance 'playing optimally' vs 'spamming Broil' would be, etc. was a lot of work for something that ended up happening every 20ish pages on average, so I elected to make this thread so that I can just say 'This is how I'd fix it' and link here. If they don't want to read this, they weren't ever looking for an answer to their question in the first place, instead just looking to 'gotcha' people who aren't as obsessive-compulsive with the topic as I am.

After several expansions of us saying 'This design direction for healers is not going the way I'd like it to' and radio silence from SE, I don't care to just carry on saying 'this direction doesn't match what I'd like', I'd rather suggest ways to fix the problem. If SE uses anything I've written (even if it just inspires new ideas, rather than directly taking 1:1), that's a win in my book. If they don't, I can at least say I've tried everything I can (short of printing it out and thrusting it into the hands of Yoshi-P directly at a live event). The ingame 'Leave a suggestion' menu does mention this specific part of the forums as the place to leave suggestions, though:


Strangely, no mention of keeping to a single Megathread

As for 'One megathread is sufficient', JP might use the concept of megathreads, but the west seems a lot more inclined to use the 'multiple threads on the same topic' method. For example, the concept of 'megathreads' didn't stop people throwing up so many threads about their character creator issues, where 'one megathread would have been sufficient'. But IMO it's a good thing that those players could make multiple threads on the topic (of character creator update), because it allowed for more detail to be placed in each individual thread. The Elezen problems were not drowned out by the Viera problem reports, the Viera reports were not drowned out by the Miqo'te posts, etc.

Assuming you read the designs on the first page, how would you suggest that I fit all of THAT, into the megathread without it A: being an unreadable mess, B: being in relatively the same place in the thread (eg: since people post so fast in there, how can I guarantee that all four Healer posts are one-after-the-other, not split between pages, etc), and C: easily findable by anyone at SE (or the forum moderators) who was looking for it? I don't think such a thing is possible, and even if it somehow were, it'd disappear into the sea of comments saying 'is this stupid crap still going' and the like, which doesn't do much good when the ideal scenario is 'SE sees these ideas and gets inspired by them somewhat'

[Shurrikhan]

When you cant refute the statement, something something profile troll.

Given that it would take all of four sentences to have explained for any reasonable person why the OP would have the new thread would be a reasonable, relatively efficient response to the problem that allegedly gave rise to it... a desire to meta-critique unproductively and in purposeful neglect of evidence just to satisfy some emotive need of your own (in consequence, trolling) does seem the most accurate and useful explanation.

But increasing that noise *will* help?

People all creating their own threads on subjects that already have their own megathreads will help the devs more than confining the conversation to the megathread?

Not necessarily, but some degree of specialization of purpose does improve the conversation itself even when subject matter may overlap. Or do you have only one political party, one union, one book on each subject where you come from?

The dev will either listen, in which case one megathread will serve, or they won't listen. In which case multiple threads of people "being tired" of using the megathread wont assist that goal.

Pick a lane.

The OP wasn't tired "of using the Megathread". They were tired of people using the Megathread to comment on its contents without even being aware of said contents (e.g., making claims about its discussion that would have been easily refuted for themselves had they just searched a few more pages). Making a new thread that lead with the very mockups that the megathread's critics so often said was lacking from the megathread reduced the amount of useless criticism from those who happened to be ignorant of said mockups to those willfully ignoring their existence or for whom the complaint was only an excuse with plenty of other goalposts to retreat to.

You're pushing a dichotomy here that is painfully obviously false.

[klu]

Hey man, if you can crap up the forums, by all means do it.

But you *are* crapping them up.

[klu]

Not as painful as someone making their own bespoke thread to whine that they're "tired" of reiterating their points...

Which *definitely* won't happen here, right fellas?