Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
Like I understand the premise of why you want to play with your friends or RP with them, but why pick FFXIV when you apparently had that back in WoW. Like that is the thing I find head-scratching all the time when people bring up other "MMORPG's" doing something better and my mind goes straight to "So go back to that game then."
Ah yes, let me tell my friend to stop playing FFXIV where they invested hundreds of hours so we can go play other MMORPG. It generally considered good design to let people play together in MMO you know. Gatekeeping people from it cause you're fine with story not being skippable for free is just weird.

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But if we are treated to an experience that seems to run away from the formula that we want, we should complain about it. Not bring features from other games that work there because they were part of their game experience. This is why Gacha stuff does not belong in any game"
Ok but I want my MMORPG to have similar good game design that come from other MMORPG. IDK why you keep bringing gacha into like, were talking about thing in other MMO. Again, I don't see how making the story ''optional'' would hurt the people enjoying it.

Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
See in my view, if you want to play the FFXIV endgame, but don't actually care about the "lore" or the story, you just do what players do now, they get their friend who has the 45 dollar 8-player mount and uber your entire friend group from objective to objective.
Right so I need to pay 45 extra buck over my subs so a friend can ''Skip'' the story instead of the game just, letting you into content if you have the level for it. That just locking some good game design behind a paywall. This is as bad as GW2 hiding best gears farming and important story content inside their Living world seasons (If you never played gw2, Living world season are equivalent of those quest we get in the patches between xpac in FFXIV, you need to pay for those in GW2 too.)

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That's different in that Gacha games shut down and take all the waifus and husbando's with them, leaving nothing for the player but an empty wallet and no memories.
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I do not trust Square Enix to leave me with a game I can still play.
They could close FF14 anytime they want and what do you think will happen to all the cool stuff you bought in the online shop? Again, you blaming it all on gacha when it just a reality every live service game exist, including MMO. You are litteraly trusting Square Enix to leave you with a game that you still play right now, by playing FF14