Remove Trust System from future Trials

[Oizen]

I do think that Trusts are impacting the writing quality of this game with characters miraculously popping in and out at light speed almost as if their dialouge is "I dont want to be here but you need a tank"

I think I'd rather trusts stop being justified by the plot

[SwadTheFrog]

I feel like the issue of ‘NPC’s being present solely for trust system’ is more of a writing issue than the trust system itself. Like, it feels like that because it’s so poorly written, not because the trust system exists lol

Correct to a degree. The level 89 Trial in EW pulled it off perfectly. The issue is that with trust, you're forcing the same exact plot beats because at levels x3 and x9, you NEED to have at least seven other characters around, and at least three others for the dungeons. Unironically, I love what they did with trusts in most ARR stuff, where it's just random adventurers that go with you, and you can see their equipment and levels changing.

[TaleraRistain]

I loved it. Even if the party setup for the second trial was a bit rushed, it was our compatriots coming together to help us, including new compatriots like Koana. Narratively it fit that these were the people handling the fights just like with Hydaelyn. I was fine with the Azem crystal at the end because we were alone, in a place where it would make sense to gather others to us. But they could always make that call our companions to us in the future instead of warriors from across the shards. Could even be kind of the WoL pulling a "Haha, you thought you took my friends away, eff you" type of thing to what they're fighting.

I like your idea about adding a cutscene to dungeons for the Azem crystal to show we're gathering warriors to us from other places.

[Kranel_San]

Agreed wholesale. I feel like the Trust System is now genuinely hurting the narrative. Not only do things become even more formulaic on the narrative "Oh, we're reachining level 83/89, time for people to randomly show up to back us up because we need eight folks". It's even more obscene on the 89 trial, where the other Scions just...appear. It is a COMPLETE asspull. No, seriously, think about it for half a second. We took the one route available to us to move further up along the Everkeep. The elevators were locked. There was NO OPPOSITE ROUTE. Yet somehow half the Scions, without being noticied by us, came running, somehow took an entirely alternate route that was never mentioned beforehand, and stumbled up on us taking the /opposite/ path. It genuinely makes zero sense.

FFXI did it better, where Trust is a form of magic, so you can summon any avatar of a character to fight at your side without the actual character being there. How can this be applied to FFXIV? Simple. Duty support but with Scions trust to fill the gaps, including one that aren't even present or nearby. Even better if you try to waive the Trust system into lore where Azem crystal does the job to fill the gaps.

Nothing is more formulaic than 'I pull out the Azem cystal, which I only use when it's time for a trial fight specifically, and summon seven strangers from acrosstime and space who happen to be battle ready and of the appropriate level for this.'

If by the time the WoL pulls the Azem crystal and you thought prior to it the current situation won't be a fight, then I'm worried for you.

[Turtledeluxe]

Alt trash thread. Move along

[Havenchild]

Another good reason why devs don't take english forums seriously. Threads like this.

[Isseki]

It sure would be terrible if there was an optional feature in the game that you didn't have to use.

This

The trust system is for people that dont want to play in groups or play in their own way.

You dont have to use it. Its completely optional, but I am glad there is something for players that dont want to group for whatever reason they see fit.

[NovaStella]

You can just... not use trusts. It's 110% optional.
Why do you hate that the main character is... the main character so much? The entire expansion is about Wuk Lamat? We knew that going in?
I love being able to use trusts for trials. I love having to learn the fight to get past it, and not having to worry about someone deciding "it's week 2 so I'm going to explain mechanics unprompted". It's a great feature and I hope they stick with it.

[LucienFaust]

People are now purposely trying to find ways to shit on FFXIV at this point. I have some issues but by no means do I think the game is terrible.

[LaylaTsarra]

No thank you they are fine just the way they are. Don't like them don't use them pretty simple.