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  1. #1
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    GartredZW's Avatar
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    Gartred Runecaster
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    Diabolos
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Trusts should use what characters are there, and also summon a number of generic light warriors like Elidibus did in his fight.
    It's getting pretty obvious when they just need more people there to fill out trusts, and I'd prefer they not write themselves into a corner like that too much more. Y'shtola, G'raha, and Estinien show up just in time for the lvl 99 trial, then they split off from the group immediately after.
    We joked about how Thancred and G'raha can only tank because they needed to fill out the tank trust.
    I'm all for the trust system even though I'd never want to use it. If the game starts to die out again, you're not going to want to spend 2 hours in Party Finder because Duty finder isn't popping for a story dungeon. It just shouldn't bleed into the actual story itself.
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    DiaDeem's Avatar
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    Vivian Rysto
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 100
    No. Give me 7 Pixies as my team for every Trail.

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    Last edited by DiaDeem; 07-19-2024 at 02:01 PM.

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    Shara Dei-ji
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    No. Give me 7 Pixies to fight as my team for every Trail.

    omg, just imaging if we could design our own team, sort of like squadrons! It would be so fun!!!
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    DiaDeem's Avatar
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    Vivian Rysto
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    omg, just imaging if we could design our own team, sort of like squadrons! It would be so fun!!!
    This would be amazing!
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    Akamadoshi's Avatar
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    Evander Achilles
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    Sophia
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    Pugilist Lv 30
    No... I love doing it with the NPC... I truly do. I wouldn't want them to change.
    What I would want them to change is use the scions and NPC who were not even at the scene suddenly appear because a trial is upcoming and need a body.
    We all know the NPC are phantoms in the duty, please deploy MSQ as it was supposed to be - and make NPC optional to pick from whether they are around or not.
    I am heavy supporter of NPC as it teaches me the fight as I wipe and learn and get better. Immersion is nice too. It only gets ruined when the NPC appear out of nowhere.
    DT scions has become about "we need body check so we are here for the fight, but otherwise we quietly sit behind."
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  6. 07-19-2024 12:52 PM

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    Karma Dunkelsonn
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    Shiva
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    Warrior Lv 91
    Trusts are fine, they're pretty much non-canonical anyway with how you only unlock them after clearing content once (and not at all for Trials, incidentally). The Scions being in Trusts don't need to make narrative sense and occasionally, don't. [Thancred Spiderman meme goes here]

    Duty Support, what is being discussed here, is a different beast. If the writers would remember that Duty Support doesn't have to use the Scions we wouldn't have to have this discussion.
    Removing it from Trials isn't the answer though, I'd rather they include all Trials in it.
    What is the answer is SE stop being consistently inconsistent, remember that in the past Duty Support was fine when it used random NPCs that had a decent narrative reason to be there and didn't need them to shoehorn the Scions in just to make up bodies. Worse is when the game goes to pull out the Azem crystal and then doesn't use it (to provide Duty Support).
    The Duty Support cast for the first DT trial was pretty decent actually. The second Trial should've just filled the ranks with Oblivion members, they had enough reason to be there and help out.
    The third Trial should've commited to the use of the Azem crystal and summoned "random" copies of John Fantasy, if it's good enough for players it's good enough for bots instead of not having Duty Support for an MSQ Trial at all.
    I'll take my random adventurers when it makes narrative sense, I'll take summoned reflections when the use of the Azem crystal happens there canonically anyway, I'll take random NPCs from organizations we organically met on the way to the Trial who have an established reason and interest to be there and help, I would've taken hacked robot soldiers for anything involving Heritage Found and yes I'll take the Scions if there's a reason they're there other than "Oh I heard there's a Trial coming up so I thought I'd briefly drop in to provide a body for that before fading out of the story again".
    Are half of those options any less shoehorned into the story than the Scions? Probably not, but I'm much more ready to forgive them for providing some random NPCs to make up the body count I can just ignore by not using Duty Support than I am of them phasing major characters in and out of the story just to make up numbers for a fight.
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    Sanae Rosethorn
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    Sagittarius
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    I wish I could use the trust system in every trial. I am an old woman, I will turn 65 this year.
    I am slow in my reaction, my eyesight is horrible and well, you get the point. I've come across many nice and friendly people in the trials, that don't mind me being slower then usual, but I've also met some real nasty people, who basicly told me, that I am too old to play games and should do other things, that were more suited to my age. With the trust system, I can take my time. I can learn the fight and I don't have to be a burden on others.
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    undull1's Avatar
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    Momori Mori
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    Twintania
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    Red Mage Lv 91
    Trusts are a marketing gimmick, there's no point in them.
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    Syhrwyda Holskansawyn
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    Twintania
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by undull1 View Post
    Trusts are a marketing gimmick, there's no point in them.
    Their existence does not hurt you, because you are not forced to use them.

    Their existence additionally has the benefit of compelling the devs to at least give decent thought to the intelligence behind support NPCs. NPC programming that is actually good enough to do mechanics would carry over as beneficial to use elsewhere in the game, e.g. smarter and therefore more engaging solo missions.

    Their removal would hurt other people who do like being able to get past the Trial steps in MSQ with npcs, e.g. for people with a severe anxiety over fear of failure who wouldn't otherwise dare try a trial with other players before many video guides for it are out and therefore would have to stop their story progress.


    So why put in a request for a net negative?
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