Remove Trust System from future Trials

[Nabril]

I like the Trust system. The OP's initial post is why I use the trust system. I can learn the dungeon mechanics and watch the cut scenes without 3 toxic people judging me for it. Want to do a dungeon with me? Befriend me and let's form a party. I don't PUG if I don't have to. Toxic people just aren't worth it. I can learn the dungeons and make it through them with NPCs just fine.

[Bright-Flower]

I don't agree with TC but 'then don't use trusts' doesn't solve their issue of how it affects how the story leading up to the trust is written.

Honestlybit feels to me like the only reason the twins are even in DT is to use them for trust filler most of the time in dungeons since they barely get anything interesting to say or do.

[Supersnow845]

I don’t think trusts as a feature is bad, I think the problem is the trust system enforces weird story decisions to have certain people available at any random time to fill needs

As pointed out above half the scions should not have been able to access the 99 trial as they did, graha being in living memory was a flimsy excuse simply so he could be there for the 100 dungeon (honestly graha’s entire “randomly shows up after making a scene of staying behind” feels like a way to bring back an all rounder so Alphinaud wouldn’t always have to be around to be the healer). Alphinaud and alisaie also feel like their entire purpose in the story was being trust fodder

About the only time the trust system felt organic was everyone putting the right of succession on hold for vali but vali already had other problems around his non existent build up

So yeah trusts are fine, weird story decisions to enforce comps for trusts is not good

[Nabril]

I don't agree with TC but 'then don't use trusts' doesn't solve their issue of how it affects how the story leading up to the trust is written.

Honestlybit feels to me like the only reason the twins are even in DT is to use them for trust filler most of the time in dungeons since they barely get anything interesting to say or do.

That's your issue? "Remove the Trust so that there is no need to include these NPCs"?

[Supersnow845]

That's your issue? "Remove the Trust so that there is no need to include these NPCs"?

There is 100% story issues around shoehorning in characters to exist in certain parts of the story so they could be there for trusts, it’s incredibly noticeable and sometimes the reasons they give are downright bad

Use NPC’s or something that aren’t the scions, hell use oblivion. But in the current form trusts arent worth bending the story in stupid ways around them

[Gortys]

Dawntrail though shoehorns in the Trust system for the first two trials in the expansion, which is clearly just trying to shove Wuk Lamat down our throats more

Or maybe they realize the trust system is liked by some people? Maybe they realize that people don't like waiting 30 min for a queue when they can just use a trust? While you and others may say "they can do other things while waiting for the queue", some people either just want to do the MSQ or they have other obligations in life that make this more convenient.

I love doing a duty or trial with other players first, but if the queue is too long and I know I have other obligations then I'm absolutely doing the trust.

[angienessyo]

I'm all about doing group content with people, but the way I see it is this is just a way to protect future new players from having lengthy queues for story trials. I prefer playing with people, but I used trusts for the first 2 trials because I was on viper and none of my friends had gotten that far yet and I wasn't about to sit in queue forever as dps.

[SwadTheFrog]

Legitimate question. If you have an issue with this, what is your explanation for 7 random PC's joining you for these fights? In the scope of narrative, 7 other players randomly joining seems a lot less plausible. I think there are some situations in which people are just going to have to understand immersion is going to break for certain aspects.

Happily ignore it. Stormblood of all thigns actually did a perfect job with it and the Susano fight, by just throwing out a quote of "Well, good thing so many adventurers are out ton holiday here..." - I can suspend my disbelief of seven randos appearing out of nowhere just fine, because hey, it's a MMO. But when the game calls attention to the fact that the Scions instant transmission into the scene when they simply *shouldn't*, then immersion is broken far more.

[Connor]

I feel like the issue of ‘NPC’s being present solely for trust system’ is more of a writing issue than the trust system itself. Like, it feels like that because it’s so poorly written, not because the trust system exists lol

[MeteorShan]

Or maybe they realize the trust system is liked by some people? Maybe they realize that people don't like waiting 30 min for a queue when they can just use a trust? While you and others may say "they can do other things while waiting for the queue", some people either just want to do the MSQ or they have other obligations in life that make this more convenient.

I love doing a duty or trial with other players first, but if the queue is too long and I know I have other obligations then I'm absolutely doing the trust.

I genuinely think that if the plan was to have the Trust system as a consistent add on for Trials moving forwards, they would have had the Trust system for Endsinger and the Scions would have ridden on the back of Zenos with us. It came across as going to be a one time thing during the Hydaelyn trial in EW.

Is it a useful addition to avoid having to avoid potential long queue times? Yes absolutely.

But as others have mentioned above, it now feels like it's already being overused for Trials to shoehorn characters into the MSQ, numerous Scions just turning up out of nowhere for trial 99 makes absolutely no sense when you look at how the narrative has been written building up to that point.

It should still be there for dungeons, absolutely no qualms with that. I just don't feel it fits for Trials anymore.